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Yes.
Okay, so here’s the deal…I watch pretty much every television show pertaining to the paranormal that comes around the bend, due to my greater than average interest in the field (and my addiction to anything passing itself off as “reality” TV). In fact, I might even go as far as saying that I am an authority on the subject matter. As such, I can say without hesitation that Jason and Grant (and the whole lot of them) are irretrievably full of shit (perhaps due to hefty financial swaying by the network), and they have completely blighted the way the entire field of paranormal investigation is perceived.
It’s bad enough that ghost hunters have historically come across as socially retarded, fedora wearing chodes, and now we have a brand spanking new variety of chicanery to sort through.
Generally speaking, the level of rage that deluges my entire being is usually reserved for junior high guidance counselors and soccer moms with cell phones driving SUVs filled with horrid little children.
In the unlikely event that the esteemed UMOA readers have not heard of Jason, Grant, or anyone involved with T.A.P.S., allow me to give a little background:
Jason and Grant are founding members of the Atlantic Paranormal Society (T.A.P.S.) and, based on some nebulous personal experiences in their collective youth, they decided to hang a shingle and start a paranormal investigation group, ostensibly to find “answers” to what happened to them and blah, blah, blah. Somewhere along the line, they managed to parlay their employment as plumbers for Roto-Rooter into corporate sponsorship, and that led to the eventual creation of the show that I really love to hate… Ghost Hunters.
On each episode, the intrepid band of researchers convene upon a location purported to have paranormal activity and, through an intricate choreography of ass-backwardness, they lay down cables and tape cameras to walls (while simultaneously arguing about which piece of equipment Brian lost, as he is the show’s unattractive scapegoat), and proceed to “investigate” by familiarizing themselves with the entire back story of the activity, undoubtedly so they can be sure and report similar experiences. During the lesser episodes, they will generally make a Cecil B. DeMille production of debunking the activity based solely on their experience as plumbers for Roto-Rooter (a detail that is mentioned no less than 415 times during an average show) and the happenstance that they were not able to collect and evidence (never mind the fact that most legitimate investigations will require numerous visits and lots of waiting around, but rarely a plunger and a drain snake).
On the episodes where they DO claim to find evidence, it’s always at some regional landmark that is likely to generate revenue as a result of having activity, and the evidence is so dubiously FANTASTIC that it makes me want to punch myself in the face.
For example, during a visit to the famous Stanley Hotel in Estes Park, CO, we see Grant futzing around with his little cheap-ass camera in the dark hotel room, and – conveniently – when he asks the show’s cameraman to use his light to illuminate his task of “changing the tape” (which inexplicably involved pointing the SciFi channel camera to the ground), the table shakes violently and a chair flies off the ground and hits the wall. I guess turning on the light in the room would have broken protocol, since paranormal activity ONLY happens in the dark, right? Too bad these pros never thought to have a back-up camera running, huh?
I fucking hate liars, seriously.
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August 30th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Yes they are, I’ve seen a couple of episodes and the whole thing is ridiculous.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:50 am
Thank you for articulating exactly what I feel when I hear my sister in law rave about that fucking show.
September 20th, 2008 at 10:03 am
Yeah and they got what the wanted. jealous? dang right you are. Also you should make sure you get your facts straight before you go boasting your an expert. your level of expertise? what exactly is your level of expertise? do you even have a degree in any form of psychology or parapsychology? as far as your “opinions” are concerned relating to TAPS boosting revenue, there would have been no reason to show the queen mary as a hoax when someone tampered with their tap of the bed uncovering its self. Your probably a fan of most haunted, the most incomprehensible piece of rubbish this side of the states. Taps investigates places that are not even showed on sci fi. Come on, These guys have day jobs and live in moderately priced homes, their not bling bling millionaires cheating people out of money. If you lived on earth like the rest of us you would also know that being educated in household plumbing and electricity can answer a lot of questions concerning odd noises. For example do you know what an air pocket in your hot water line will do? forced hot air and radiators will cause very unusually sounds in walls and some time make whispering noises. EMF’s have been proven for years now to cause adverse effect in the human body… you know what Im rambling, the point of my post is “SHUT UP”! thank you for being a narrow minded loud mouth with access to a computer
September 21st, 2008 at 2:27 pm
I have been a ghost hunter for over 4 years..
.And I think TAPS in the beginning was a sincere and honest paranormal group…
There are many other paranormal groups in the USA that are just as profesional asa they are…
But now with all the pressure to keep up their ratings…
I feel that the temptation to plant fake evedence is too great because of the greed factor…
They are in the money now and want to keep it comming!
Grant and Jason have been getting rich off of thousands of dollars of free gifts and donations they have gotten from fans over the years,,,
Taps has been asked to prove what they receive is all non profit..
but wont show proof of where the funds they receive for free is going…
I live in Colorado not far from the Stanley Hotel where they apear atleast twice yearly…
Taps.. Event host..[Darkness Dave].. from.. [darkness at the edge of town radio].. from minisota is nothing but a money grubbing lieing creep that preys on a mostly younger crowd of people foolishly paying 400 to 600 dollars a head for tickets to see and ghost hunt with TAPS at the Stanley hotel plus renting rooms at the stanley up to 200 or 300 bucks per night…
The hotel and.. [Darkness radio].. and TAPS and other special guests are all in it together [ FOR THE BUCKS!!]
I believe that the science of the paranormal is a respectable science…
But People like taps have dishonered the science to some degree with their TV Show…
You can find [Darkness at the edge of town radio show] on the internet by a google search..
His name is.. [Dave].. and He is the head of his radio show and the events that he sponsers around the country…
If you look at the [planned events] on the TAPS site..
you will see their.. [plan of action to get rich].. off of a mostly younger crowd who know nothing about the paranormal science but are easily swayed into paying for high priced tickets to see and ghost hunt with Taps at some location in the united states.
.He..[Dave].. is using TAPS fame.. to draw in the crowd and sell over priced tickets..
.I think this is entertainment for the suckers who will pay their price…
As a real ghost hunter… I think the paranormal science is very real …
But when people start making a living out of it… an element of fraud will evolve eventually….
regards…Brad
October 5th, 2008 at 1:29 am
Allen, Brad.
People like you are so dissatisfied with life and so inundated with pop culture have lost all appreciation for reality and the natural world as a whole. This is entertainment and that’s it, if anyone thinks it’s anything different they have some serious introspection to do….
Your time is better spent, and you know it… and why this type of article sparks such a reaction from you.
October 6th, 2008 at 3:42 am
Ok its as simple as this…..if you don’t like it…..don’t watch it. Did you ever think of that one! Get a life! Loving to hate something is a waste of time. Find another passion! Dam!
October 6th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
I understand simplicity and that’s the point. The real answers are always simple, not the bogey man and his friends.
A symptom of having a life is *not* watching this show =]
October 10th, 2008 at 2:19 am
Once a person (or group) that specializes in the paranormal has been exposed for manufacturing or tampering with the evidence they collect, it`s a high hill to climb in order to win back any measure of trust with the rational minded among us. I mention this fact, because it`s well established that TAPS did, in fact, tamper with evidence in the Manson episode. They denied it, but after being confronted with the evidence of their deeds, just “made it disappear” by editing it out of the future repeat episodes.
That`s only one incident that I know of in which there`s irrefutable proof of tampering, but there are MANY other incidents that are extremely fishy — TO SAY THE LEAST — and more than likely, rigged, tampered, or blatantly manufactured. They`ve lost every speck of crdibility with all but the absolute, most brain-washed and star-struck among their fans. The same fans (groupies) that seem to travel to all their “events” and plunk down hundreds of dollars for the privilege of rubbing elbows with their TV heroes, and being herded like cattle through a TAPS certified haunted hotel, former prison, etc.
October 14th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
OK T.A.P.S are bad but c’mon they’re not even close to being as awful as the screaming mess of paranormal fakery and foolishness that is the UK’s most Haunted show with Screechy Yvette Fielding living up to every blonde chick stereotype, Derek Acorah living up to every fake medium legend and alleged technical expert Steve Parsons twiddling with his knobs and acting like a complete tool. Surely there’s been enough of this kind of crap on TV. Time for some serious programmes. Remember Carl Sagan and Arthur C Clarke??
October 14th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
HEY VLAD….You said it corectly …!!
October 16th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
http://www.tapsparamag.com/
*sigh*
you poor people.
October 17th, 2008 at 4:33 am
It’s not a rating, it’s sadness… on my part, for anyone that gets suckered into the hype surrounding all of this.
How can you be so sure it’s all honest, it’s not fun and games…it’s a business. It is lucrative for them. They have sponsors who have expectations of ratings. They have contracts. Do you know them? Personally? Have you shilled out your hard earned money to see them or one of the haunted locations? (Thanks for that tid-bit of info, by the way, I had no idea they stooped that low)
Didn’t they get caught fabricating something?
I did have a look at the Cape Ann para-whatever sight…
What got most of the people here laughing the most was the “indisputable” photos…
Can I dispute them?
Ok, you should re-label them as disputed now =]
I would love to be proven wrong, take me to a haunted area and scare the holy fu..ing-sh!t outta me. Nobody can do it.
-Ster
October 18th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
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October 19th, 2008 at 10:36 am
Wow, did I pick a scab with this topic, or what? I would like to point out that I AM an expert in this field, I have about 18 years experience investigating, I run my own group, AND I am now in the process of writing my third, YES THIRD book on the subject matter…so those of you who think I am full of shit can feel free to SUCK IT.
My feelings about Jason and Grant personally are that they are a couple of blue collar guys who like to hunt ghosts, that fell into deep clover. I think they had to make a choice between integrity and money (because any paranormal investigator worth their salt knows that there is VERY LITTLE money to be made LEGITIMATELY in this field). Since they collectively have something like 8 kids between them, it’s probably a choice they felt compelled to make for the sake of the quality of life it provided for their children, but they obviously aren’t going to admit to having done it. Fine…kids come first. The downside of this is that they have opened themselves up for ridicule and judgement. That is the cost of doing business. Second to that, they don’t follow any manner of established protocols NOR do they keep themselves blind to the activity in any location PRIOR to the investigation…the first thing they get is full disclosure…that is not a correct investigation. They started out as debunkers, now every episode contains the phrases, “Did you see that?” followed shortly by “What the frig was that?” Nobody ever catches anything on film…ever, and their EVPS are entirely too fabulous. Now, to everyone who is a paranormal investigator, just do your thing within the acceptable guidelines and know that you are doing it the right way. They have been out this way and pissed all over my territory, too. The best part of that is that they investigated a well-known tourist trap and found all sorts of “evidence” except that said location may actually have their ghosts on staff, if you know what I mean. To everyone who just wants to ruffle feathers and call me stupid for writing this article, thanks for the input, now click off this screen before your supervisor sees it, and take the next call, okay?
October 19th, 2008 at 10:53 am
Oh, and as for Most Haunted, go on to youtube and look for Most Haunted, “Mary loves Dick”…that pretty much puts to rest any doubt on their lack of legitimacy…and it’s really pretty funny.
October 19th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Alright, so in response to Allen and the others who think Katie needs to ‘get a life’ or is just ‘jealous’ can we step back for a second and acknowledge that we are reading an acerbic culture site called ‘Up My Own Ass?’ If you weren’t TAPS fanboys, you would find nothing wrong with anything she said or how she said it, so right off the bat your credibility is tarnished by the fact that you have no objectivity on the subject. If your opinion is different, fine, you are entitled to it but let’s not pretend to be superior when your responses are every bit as vitriolic as her article was.
That being said, any champion for TAPS’s credibility should really pause for a moment and ask themselves if a group who have shots of themselves installing a hot water heater when they get the call that they have a new investigation are on the level. Not even looking at the charges that they have tampered with evidence or that they pretend to be pushed when they’ve obviously stumbled, we are now expected to believe that these guys have a camera crew following them to Roto Rooter service calls in the hopes that they get a new investigation? No, obviously it is a set up ‘recreation’ designed to push the Roto Rooter brand. Do we need them to say ‘We’ll be right there as soon as we finish installing this PowerStar AE 125 Electric Tankless Water Heater?’ No I don’t think their day job has anything to do with their next investigation.
Also, given the nature of Katie’s comments regarding TAPS, only a jackass would assume that she would then enjoy Most Haunted which is, by all accounts, everything she said about TAPS but more so.
I guess that my point to Allen is ‘Don’t tell someone else to SHUT UP when you are doing the same thing you charge them with only with far less actual information to work with!’ She is entitled to her opinion and it is an educated one based on experience and data right there on the screen. Also you should get your facts straight before you tell anyone else they aren’t an expert when you don’t know their background. To further attempt to ‘educate’ them without providing your own set of credentials is exceptionally weak. Thanks for being a contrary loudmouth with access to a computer.
October 22nd, 2008 at 7:21 pm
I hate this show. I think there’s too much bullshit on the show and something always moves off camera. I hate listening to innane bullshit being spouted off at each episode. These guys get paid to go to places, plant cameras and say “The ghosts may have been shy tonight, because we didn’t see anything. We can’t say for sure if your place is haunted, but there definitely might be something here”. This line also translates to “We really had no idea what we were doing. We just kinda stumbled over our own asses while griping to each other. I hope that we will still have jobs as long as we keep going to people and giving them some hope of a haunting.”
Ok, so I’ve said my peace. Not to say that many of the people that have left remarks are completely true that this is entertainment, but how the hell did this make x amount of seasons. This does, however rate alot higher than a lot of the other bullshit out there.
November 2nd, 2008 at 9:52 pm
I watched TAPS faithfully for 4 years now! I watched the “Live” episode the other night and realized finally that they are full of shit! I had my doubts before but I never was able to validate them. But when Grant has his jacket “tugged” it is very obvious it is rigged. DVR is a bitch GH, I was able to rewind and rewind and slow motion to see you fiddle with your coat a minute before you had your jacket tugged. You lying piece of shit!!! I want to believe in paranormal but I am not sure I can anymore. Some of you with legitimate experience please soothe my pain and assure me that paranormal activities do happen.
November 2nd, 2008 at 10:17 pm
There, there, John. I am here to help you. Please, just come down off the ledge!
Seriously, there are legitimate paranormal investigators…I know because I am one. I realize that knowledge may betray my witty and deeply sarcastic exterior. I have that live episode recorded, but I haven’t watched it yet. They are full of shit because they are paid to make results for the TV viewers. Those of us who aren’t on anyone’s payroll have a lot more credibility.
It’s okay…It’s okay…It’s okay…ghosts are real…It’s okay…
November 3rd, 2008 at 7:01 am
Thanks!
I remember watching shows as a kid about ghost. Reading books about ghost. My mom telling me a story about an experience she had. I have even had a small experience once. I never saw anything just a really really odd feeling like something was staring me down. I have never experienced that since.
To me TAPS was the white light. They would debunk things, and sometimes find evidence. This seem to validate their honesty. I always had a feeling of not being able to trust them though. I guess I tried to ignore it.
The Halloween episode was a total disaster. The voice they “heard” sounded pre-recorded. It had a digital sound to it.
I understand they are on a major cable network but the commercials! Jeez! The show was almost like an info-mercial for all the sci fi shows.
After feeling my stomach drop when I realized I had been taken for so many years, I thought all the times I thought they really caught something good means nothing!
I tried to go to the TAPS homepage and message board to bring the jacket pull up. WOW you would not believe the amount of ridicule I recieved. These people do not want to hear of their gods Jason and Grant deceiving them. I think the post finally got taken down.
I will watch the reveal this week just to see what they have to say about the episode, then I am done with Ghost Hunters. Maybe I can find some legit hunters online or in my area.
November 5th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Watch Ghost Adventures on the Travel Channel. There is a new episode on this Friday night. They have a different approach to ghost hunting that is very entertaining.
November 6th, 2008 at 12:38 am
In answer to the other “John” above:
My kids and I have also been fans since the first Ghost Hunters episode and I had the same reaction to this Halloween broadcast.
In real life, I’m a physician and a scientist. Rationally, I have never seen any evidence (on GH or otherwise) that ghosts exist. But like Fox Mulder, I want to believe. I’m fascinated by the possibility of paranormal phenomena.
TAPS has always put on a good show. True: for every amazing piece of evidence I could always think of an easy way they could have faked it, but it still gave me a thrill. Until now they have never given me proof that they were faking their evidence. I’m pissed that they have ruined my pleasant illusion.
Let’s start with the basics… Imagine that you were a ghost struggling to make some sort of physical contact with Grant on Halloween night. Given how rare the claims of physical contact are, what are the odds that you would succeed 3 times in one night?
But, for the sake of argument, let’s say that you overcame that statistical hurdle.
Now, what are the odds that when you did make physical contact you did it by grabbing his jacket in the exact same spot, pulling it in the exact same manner, and producing the exact same cloth-crumpling effect 3 times in a row, no matter where he was standing or which direction he was moving in?
Hell, what are the chances that you could reproduce that effect as a real live human trying your best to pull his coat in exact same spot 3 times in a row, with him moving around?
It’s impossible.
The effect was produced mechanically, as many of you have suggested. This is a sad moment for me. If the GH production staff had pulled the gag once and stopped there, then I would still be able to enjoy the show. Apparently they think that we are stupid.
November 6th, 2008 at 7:02 am
Hey John, John here……:0)
You are exactly right. I suggested the same thing on the TAPS site. There are so many people that do not want to believe they were fooled.
This argument will go on forever. But for me and my wife, we cannot watch the show now and take it seriously. Yes I know, should I have really expected much more from the Sci-Fi channel.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:21 am
You guys all rock, by the way.
November 6th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Ghost Hunters is a real as MTVs Fear and as legitiment as John Edwards (not the politician). Its ridiculous. I watched so many times looking for an edit slipup and it seems going “live” was the only way they were going to screw it up…and screw it up they did…
the recap was even worse, with which they followed it up with an investigation at 1000 Islands with a deadly coat hanger thrower and told the woman there nothing to be worried about…
Well it was fun while it lasted.
November 6th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
I loved MTV’s Fear. I think the it was the song at the beginning. I BELIEVE it was Godsmack, although my brain won’t let me remember completely. I know the whole thing was a complete set-up, but it was still entertaining in a way Ghost Hunters is NOT.
November 6th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
CAPS – I have to wonder why you are so unwilling to entertain the possibility that TAPS are not on the up and up. It certainly is no reflection on YOU how they do business. I know people who were present when they were filming in this neck of the woods, and they were prompted to say things that weren’t true. I know this. I am sorry to tell you that – at the very least – they are looking the other way when the network amps the activity…and that is just as bad as doing it themselves.
I will not align my group with TAPS (or any other big group) because that would take away my voice. They are not the end-all, be-all of paranormal investigation, they were just in the right place at the right time.
November 6th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Hey everyone..I wonder If TAPS or anyone connected to them has seen our remarks yet?
I’m shure many thousands have seen this live investigation and feel.. [like us].. that they may have pulled some.. [fast ones].. on the viewers..
If there is a chance that they..[TAPS].. are NOT guilty of pulling the wool over our eyes..
[I challenge Them to defend themselves!!!!
[If some of our opinions are wrong]
Because if they tricked the viewers this time.
.Its possible they have done it many times before in previous edited episodes…
I for one have enjoyed many of their shows and would prefer to see them in a more positive way and would rather be wrong about my suspicions of trickery on the screen… … Were waiting to hear from you TAPS!!
November 6th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
We won’t hear from them. They don’t address anything like this as a general rule. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn’t really make a rat’s ass amount of difference because, as I said, they are NOT the gold standard in investigating. I am sure they are nice guys with an interest in the paranormal, but they don’t make or break it for the rest of us…
November 6th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Their shenanigans do NOT reflect on you. Your group is still in it for investigative purposes and theirs is strictly for entertainment. They may not realize that, but that is the case. They investigated in my part of the country, too, without even so much as a “lick our balls.” I must admit that I am tired of them being regarded as experts. They are not. In fact, I might go as far as saying that it drives me completely bugf*ck. Don’t MAKE me drop another f-bomb, Jason and Grant.
But, AGAIN, they are just guys who boarded their gravy train the minute they saw it pull into the station.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:14 am
These rat bastards probably started out being legit. Then they saw $$$$!!
It also sounds like they have their heads up their own ass too! I would think it would be proper for them to stop in and say hey or atleast wave as they drove by.
Do you think Steve is really afraid to fly? He probably has his own pilot’s license and flies south for the weekend.
I even downloaded some piano music from Grants Myspace. I wonder, did he really write that shit!? I can’t listen to it now!
I always thought it was a bit odd that they pay for everything yet suddenly after the first season they have brand new trucks, building, all while supporting very large families.
Why do I keep writing this crap.
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
November 7th, 2008 at 6:57 am
Because it’s cathartic. They have corporate sponsorship and they can afford all the fancy-dancy stuff that is available for ghosthunting. Eventually, people will catch on and their ratings will start to slip. Then it will be someone else’s turn to have fifteen minutes and a few bucks.
Don’t you also just love how they always “just happen” to get a call while they are installing a water heater or some bullshit like that?
I don’t hate them, but I will freely mock them.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:16 am
Okay so maybe I was harsh last comment. I was tired and cranky.
Those “phone” calls are what really lead me to believe it was all fake.
I realized these scenes were set up, that is fine. But I noticed their acting was the same as how they acted during an investigation and after. Leading me to think everything they say during an investigation was suspect.
I think ultimately for me their body language told the truth.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Cape Ann – I think the fact that they have corporate sponsorship is part of the reason they are suspect…you are kind to defend them as much as you do, even though they continue to show professional discourtesy to you.
I would like to imagine Jason and Grant getting called into some corporate office and being told, “Yeah, guys, congratulations on the show…that’s great…but hey, I just wanted to let you know that we have changed things up a little bit. We didn’t like the deal that Roto Rooter was proposing, so we negotiated an AWESOME deal with Kotex!”
I wonder how those silly interstitial scenes would pan out from there…
November 7th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
All I have to say is that if I hear a live disembodied voice, im not going anywhere. Im sticking around.. If I have evidence that my coat was being pulled over and over..again, im not leaving that spot. Im doing a live show and Im getting great evidence for television. I’d get a full force in an attempt to collect all kinds of evidence, leave a camera, get some EVPs going or that mysterious k2 meter….. Instead…they walked off looking for a bat blocking some light.
And like I said following the Wednesday recap at the 1000 islands…a coat hanger flies off they put it back yet decide it’s not wise to film the closet? just questionable actions….i dont get it. CAPS what would you have done if a coat hanger came flying at you? CAPS if you heard that voice during an investigation.. do you leave your position?
November 7th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Now I *need* to watch that Halloween episode, for the first time I think I’ll be actually entertained by this show.
If there is one good thing they’re good at, it’s the back-peddling…well, and the peddling =]
November 7th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
backpedaling and peddling…I like that!
November 7th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
One thing that drove me nuts was the K2 meter. Why would they not direct a thermal image camera at it when they are getting “hits”
Seems to me it would more than validate the evidence.
November 7th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
I think that K2 meter is just a box with blinking lights…
And the handy man who worked in taps ..[head quarters]..basement put it together for them to [Be dazzle] the viewers…
I think the [K2 meter] is just as false as some of their evedence…
If anyone cares to see real paranormal evedence you should watch the [Waverly Black Mass] clip.. its wicked Cool!! and 100percent real…
It shows a black mass ..[sometimes called a shadow person]..in motion riseing through a door in back of Waverlys Kitchen area..
And the mass floats along the ceiling past a night shot camera as if it was trying to avoid the infra red beam…
This mass was only picked up by [a weak infrared beam]..
High powered night shot would not have picked it up…
Investigators at that waverly investigation also experianced and recorded a good amount of disembodied voices……
Three cheers for real evedence!!
November 7th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Hip Hip HOORAY!
I wish I had the damn money to get some fancier equipment. Although, I like the blinking lights of the K2 meter…it’s so…spaaaaaarkly.
November 7th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Maybe you could take the caps lock off…whenever someone types in all caps, I picture someone screaming in a wind tunnel…I don’t know why. Unless, THAT is what CAPS REALLY stands for!!!!
I don’t have a K2 meter myself, I have a standard issue EMF with the flashing red light. Works just fine for me. My next project is a ghost box. I think that would be cool. I just can’t justify spending money on a radio to deliberately break it…
November 7th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
The device they call the K2 meter looks exactly like the device I saw a guy in an earlyer Taps episode working on in the basement of an older Taps headquarters..
Whether their handy man ..[as they called him in that older episode] built it or not..[not 100 percent shure ]
but I specificly remember that he worked on or altered these K2 devices for Taps…
I dont think they do that much..because there are a lot of forces in nature and in the modern world that can set them off..
Electro magnetic forces are all around us…
But maybe they have proven worthy to other investigators..
I just havent seen it yet…
November 7th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
The first time I saw them use the K2 meter it really got me excited. To be able to communicate like that would be amazing. That is why I could not believe it. Especially since they never used it all the time.
They are so sketchy in how they investigate. They never seem to use the same methods more than once a night even if they get good response.
For instance on the Live episode the actor from “Estate of Panic” Steve stopped and said. I just heard footsteps. Jason and Grant looked at him almost like………yeah, so what, let’s go this way. Now why would you do that? It seems logical to me they would stop and see if what he heard was real or echos.
Katie, CAPS, if you either have links to your evidence or a website I would love to know.
If you want to send it to my e-mail let me know.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
I would be happy to send you an email…
November 7th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Katie, how can you send me an e-mail without me posting it here? Not sure I want everyone to see it.
November 8th, 2008 at 7:31 am
I heard you can press the talk button on a nearby walkie talkie and make that k2 meter light up like a christmas tree…is that true?
November 8th, 2008 at 7:41 am
John, just an idea, im no expert..maybe create a one time internet email address ..post it here and then have a short correspondance and delete it after?
November 8th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
John, you can send an email to actofgod72@aol.com, and I will get it…that way I can link you to my stuff while still maintaining a somewhat mysterious exterior.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
OK folks for those who havent seen the recent [TAPS] live halloween special go to
[YOU TUBE] and find clip called….
[TAPS LIES - Ghost Hunters Live - 2008 - Fraud-O-Rama]… the evidence is there…
November 8th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
You know, I have noticed that people who have been featured as having paranormal activity tend to pop up doing gigs as “investigators” or “psychics”…remember that show called “A Haunting in Connecticut?” Now the mom of that family is traveling to conventions as a psychic…if she were so psychic, didn’t she know not to move her family into that old funeral home with the demon in the basement?
November 8th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
I neglected to mention that this is an example of grabbing firmly onto someone’s coattails and hanging on for dear life. In fact, if I remember correctly, that family remained anonymous for the show…now the cat’s out of the bag and the appearances are just rolling in…
November 8th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Wow…I just watched that youtube clip and I just want to say that I love being right!
November 8th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Peh. I wholeheartedly disagree with you CAPE ANN…on the other hand, simply let them sink like a stone and step in and be the legitimate alternative. I have seen a few groups come and go around my neck of the woods…all of them were dishonest douchebags. Slowly, but surely, our group has withstood and succeeded…all from having integrity.
Ghost Hunters do not represent me, ergo, their lack of honesty shall not reflect badly on me.
November 9th, 2008 at 8:17 am
I believe it’s possible Jason and Grant at one time ran an honest investigation group. But, like some of you have said, when you are on a real investigation evidence does not always happen on the first night or second night.
I remember watching the first season and they had numerous investigations that nothing happend. Then suddenly they started having something happen evertime. It wasn’t always something they caught but they atleast had a personal experience.
They kept pushing that threshold. Bolder and bolder.
TAPS probably realized a long time ago, if they kept having real investigations aired they would not last.
You have heard how much I have bashed them, but I have come to a reason for their actions. Please understand I am not trying to take up for them, but I bet this is what they told themselves to make it easier to sleep at night.
“hey grant, you know if we don’t actually catch some evidence sci-fi is most likely going to drop us.”
“Jay, how about we just fake the evidence we have actually experienced in the past. That way we really aren’t lying, just telling our stories with a twist!”
Just my thought, no I will still not watch the stupid show!!!
November 9th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
John, I think you pretty much nailed it. I don’t even really have so much as a dislike for either of them on a personal level. I honestly believe in my heart of hearts that this was their meal ticket and I am sure they knew (and still know) that there is a finite amount of time left for them on this show. Again, they have kids to feed.
What I will stand pat on is that, if you make the choice to go that route and knowingly falsify your evidence, then I have no problem calling the whole situation as I see it…
CAPE ANN, I know that you desperately want to believe that they aren’t making shit up, but they ARE…they really, really ARE. Even their refusal to staunchly defend their practices is suspect. Perhaps they see it as just dramatizing for the viewer, but until there is a disclaimer – it is lying. I suppose since you are in the same town as they are, it may be wiser for you to keep your friends close and your enemies closer by defending them, but aligning yourself with liars may not be the best tactical decision for the greater good of your group. It sucks watching them rake in all this money by selling the collective soul of paranormal investigation, but persistence pays off and unless and until legitimate groups are willing to say, “you know what, you guys really f*cked it up for the rest of us,” it’s every group for themselves, and we all just have to be very careful about vetting other groups out.
I had their number from the get-go, even when it was the kiss of death to badmouth them…again, I love being right.
November 9th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Hi all…I have been present at many paranormal investigations over the years..
Some I have conducted by myself with improved results..
Back when TAPS was less than a year old.. Knowing how hard it can be to get very good evidence of ghosts..[.I told myself]
.[They are going to have trouble getting enough good evidence to keep their show alive..
And when I started seeing great evidence popping up a little too often in their edited episodes..I got suspicious!
Because in the real world of ghost hunting.. evidence usually comes in the form of [ORBS].. [EVP recordings] Hundreds of photos [most of them normal] small percentage of them possibly paranormal..
They were just finding too much good good evidence too fast..
Most evidence of the paranormal …even what we would call good evidence Is usually hard to prove and they were getting great stuff a little too often….
I think TAPSs early episodes were honest and true..
But as time went on and the big money started flowing and the donations and gifts that hundreds of fans sent TAPS could probably fill many garages..
I read that much of this stuff was equipment like cameras …camcorders…electronics…money.. [God only knows] what they received in the form of gifts from star struck fans over the months…
They were once asked to prove that they were [non profit status]…
I don’t think they answered that question in a clear way.. and no one knows what they did with all those nice gifts fans sent them…
Their money maker now is in their appearing all over the country at events so star struck fans paying hundreds of dollars for the privilege to see and ghost hunt with the TAPS experts…
And also appearing at these events.. are so called.. [experts].. on the paranormal]
[he he!]..
These are usually people who wrote fiction books on the Paranormal like…
[C. Flemming] is one example..
and other names that you see listed on event websites like
[DARKNESS AT THE EDGE OF TOWN RADIO] . PARANORMAL RADIO SHOW..
I think the real vultures in this game are the sponsors of the events..
These people know they are showing [fictitious crap] as real evidence of the paranormal to many vulnerable younger fans with little to no knowledge of the paranormal…
They justify their actions by making shure the fans are [entertained] without letting them know that what they are watching is mostly fake and partly real evidence that was hard gotten by real ghost hunters and donated to them free of charge..
I personally would like to see a new .. [Ghost Hunter series].. appear on TV.. with real evidence and nothing faked..
Maybe they could appear only once or twice a month with honest evidence…
I would enjoy this kind of real evidence ..[on TV]..much more than lies!
And I would respect these people much more for there honesty and hard work in the field of the paranormal science…
November 9th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Well, what topic would you like me to start?
November 10th, 2008 at 6:43 am
Oh, I think you can just go ahead and bash away in this thread…I think I mentioned Most Haunted earlier in reference to the “Mary Loves Dick” video on youtube…they are total frauds, but even this video is funny…
I am not familiar with Paranormal Egypt.
(Thank you for thinking I am down to Earth…I hope I don’t go completely off my nut and ruin your image of me!)
November 10th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Oh good Lord.
November 13th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Anyone watch yesterdays show, did they address anything from the live broadcast?
November 13th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
No they did not address anything from the live show.
I swear this will be the last time I watch! But after watching this episode I am convinced about my assumption. They started out legit and then because of pressure from producers started faking evidence. They may have experienced to some degree all of the “evidence” on the show during past investigations on their own. But from what I have researched real evidence is very, very hard to come by. You have a small chance of catching evidence during investigations, especially if you are only there for 7 hours. Do you really think Sci-Fi would keep a show on that had 10 seconds of evidence a season??
November 13th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
I couldn’t even bring myself to watch it…I knew it would just annoy me. It’s world kindness day, and I am going to be kind and not say anything else about Ghost Hunters…well, TODAY at least!
November 15th, 2008 at 11:34 am
A direct quote from Grant and Jason in the early days of the show:
“There’s a lot of people out there that charge money and that hurts the field,” said Hawes. Grant added, “You also run the risk of being a charlatan because if you’re paid, it’s incentive to find a ghost.”
There is more competition (Ghost Adventures and so on) and ‘evidence’ means ratings. Grant and Jason have thrown thier integrity out the window for the sake of money. That ‘ghostly spectre’ that they might see when trying to drift off to sleep just could be thier disembodied consciences .
November 15th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Oh, their days are numbered. I hope they’ve saved their money.
November 16th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
TAPS Address!
Looking to send us evidence or gifts?
Here is our address!
T.A.P.S.
2362 West Shore Rd.
Warwick, RI 0288
November 16th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Thanks for the info! Now I know where to send the flaming sack of dog poo.
November 21st, 2008 at 3:46 am
Yes, for a long time I had feelings, a sense, and even suspious thoughts that this show was contrived and formulated for the great, great grand sons and daughtes of P.T. Barnum of the world.
A lot of times when watching Ghost Hunters and especially the way the various team members carry on and investigate together and their relations and interactions to each other on camera…seemed like I was watching scripted dialogues and shows of both the Roller Derby and of Professional Wrestling.
The shows seems to be mostly about and focused on Jason and/or Grant.
And at times on a few other members. And there seems to be a lot of times a person who will be showed as the misunderstood, the asshole, the troublemaker, or even the cool and understanding diplomat too.
One thing that really got me:
After watching the first season and some of the second season of the Ghost Hunters on DVD, I noticed something strange..call it an alarm bell and/or sensation…as the credits of the show were rolling by. So, I rewound the DVD and played the credits again. I saw all those names for the Executive Producers.
And then suddenly!, AHAaaaaaaaa! and ahhhhhhhhhhh!!
Producers Jason Hawes, Grant Wilson.
Their credubility and respect went way down for me. I don’t really trust them and I’m very cautious with them now. Them talking about, comnplaing about not having enough money for the travel expenses and equipment and even for themselves. And this Ghost Hunting is taking time away from their day jobs. sheesh!! what a joke and bull. More Spin than even Fox News can ever weave.
Producing their own shows and being sponsored and paid by their Roto Rooter company, the Sci-fi channel, let alone from their show and residuals and sales of DVDs too.
Now coupled with their own magazine and gosh whatever else merchandise of TAPS and Ghost Hunter sales. And even being paid with gifts and donations of fans to their web site? Even more, charging hundreds of dollars for people to see them and go on Ghost Investigations with them too. :\
Although this could be a sign of the times..not of Bible Prophecy, but of their Ghost Hunter show nearing its end. Either thru cancellation and/or for personal resaons from the team. But hey, the Grateful Dead made more money on their tours and their art and from merchandizing rather from commercial music song recordings.
Perhaps Ghost Hunters will be Grateful Dead sometime….and gone for good.
And now from reading,listening and watching videos of these fraud fiascoes and possible faking and editing of evidence. I have lost all respect,trust for them. They have no more informational nor even entertainment value for me.
finally, I shake my head. I did want to talk with them about some thoughts and specualations that I have read about from Paradox Brown and also from Lisa Randall and from her book “Warped Passages: Unravelling the Universes’ Hidden Dimensions”
:\ 
They would probably shrug their their heads and say “huh?” if the Hidden Dimensions of more Dollars were not revealed.
November 21st, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Grant Responds to charges of fraud???…..read below….
QUOTE (jcoverload @ Nov 7 2008, 11:14 AM)
Grant just posted a new blog on his myspace…
As for my collar, I really don’t know what that is about. There was an earpiece cable running down my sweater that I talked about in the reveal. That is the only thing that could have caused any type of tugging movement. But it was attached to my sweater NOT my jacket and the cable ran to the opposite side of my jacket from the “alleged” hand in an awkward spot. And even then, I had tried pulling on it and it didn’t affect my jacket at all. Why did it move when Jay slapped my back? We recreated this event and it did it that way every time. Not sure why. I just don’t see how I could have faked it. I understand it looks awkward to people. It doesn’t to me because I was just being me.
On the show they were clearly leading people to believe the jacket as evidence of paranormal, when they now admit they recreated the event of Jason slapping his back and causing his collar to move every time.
That doesn’t sound so paranormal to me.
So, to be clear that I am understanding this correctly.
Grant is saying they did not fake it, and he can’t explain it.
He does admit however, that they were able to recreate the collar being pulled every time that Jason slapped his back.
Despite this, at the reveal they still present the evidence in a way that would lead viewers to believe it was paranormal. At the reveal they don’t think it is noteworthy to mention they were able to recreate the event multiple times?
November 21st, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Sorry but based on the above quote, all he is saying is that he wishes people would just start out believing him so he wouldn’t get caught. Nowhere in that response does he say anything remotely exonerating him from fraud, nor does he ever actually say they didn’t do it. He says that people jump to conclusions before he is able to dissect it? Dissect what? If his results weren’t cooked he would just say ‘no, we didn’t tamper with anything, the results were legitimate.’ There is nothing to dissect when you are pretty much caught dead to rights. As for him being cool with the show being cancelled, again, that is hollow given that it seems results are faked with the intent of securing ratings which in turn secures further seasons of the show. His behavior puts the lie to his words. You can say whatever you want but when you do the same dishonest things over and over again it is clear where the truth lies. Also, if the show is such a burden on him, then let’s see him quit. No one says he has to keep televising investigations. If he just wants to be left alone and doesn’t want the scrutiny, then he can have that by walking away. He might want to pick a new field of study though because paranormal investigation will always have intense scrutiny whether you are on TV or not.
November 21st, 2008 at 4:26 pm
I agree with you, Patrick. Again, I am not sure why, if they have done you dirty in the past, CAPE ANN, you continue to even want to defend them. It must just be that you have a vested interest based on proximity.
At no point did he state that they did NOT fake anything. He is dancing around it. I am certain that he is truthful when he says that he wishes people would stop jumping to conclusions.
In his world, there is no system of checks and balances. It’s just whatever they want to say…we are expected to believe it.
It’s not a personal affront, it’s just legitimate incredulity.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:03 pm
I don’t hate Grant and neither Jason. They both seem nice and cool.
And I have nothing personal nor professional against any of them and their team as a whole.
I just don’t like and even mad of being mislead and lead down the halls of chicanery and of potential fiascoes.
Some of the things on their shows were way too unbelievable, sensational, had the alarm bells ringing in my head….like that sequence of the show credits rolling by, and just plain don’t add up.
But I want to thank them and the whole TAPS team as well as the people here for:
to take things with a grain of salt…sometimes big boulders of salt too.
that there are geniune paranormal experiences and events that have occurred and are occuring but are either of fraud and hoaxes, hallucinations, some natural explanation(s) we don’t know or not yet have discovered, and even the small percentages that are actual are demonic and occultic in nature.
reinforces my thoughts and beliefs that Gods’ Holy Angels and even the fallen angels are engaged in a good versus evil war involving mankind. And that, just because the Holy and fallen Angelic are of another dimension or plane of existensce…they have abilities and intelligence and wisdom far above man and even of devices and technologies too.
and finally, it brought back remmbrance when I was into learning and reading up about world wide and ancient and current hoaxes and frauds.
Some of which are the Cardiff Giant, the Piltdown Man, Bigfoot, the FeeJee Mermaid, the carnival antics and hoaxes by PT Barnum, Houdini confronting and debunking various mediums and seances, the Ponzi scheme, Chariots of the Gods by Erik Von Daniken(him and his books debunked in a court case and by Clifford Wilson in his book series of Crash Go the Chariots.)
Now, I think we need to add the controversies, misleadings and antics of the TAPS team to the list as well.
But, I think this is what is needed. A big court case that hopefully can show and prove that the members of TAPS…and especially Grant and Jason…are true to their word and all what they do,did and say. And reveal too.
Let the truth and everything..the good, the bad, the ugly…all come out. And let each one of us and the viewers decide.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Are you saying that he responded directly to this post? In that case, I am flattered, quite honestly, that what this post says is compelling enough for him to address it…
I also don’t think you’re going to get an ass-kicking about anything…by the time you can prove that they have been completely truthful, this post will be buried at the bottom!
Tell Jason and Grant I said, “hello.”
November 21st, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Its not original thoughts and ideas from me.
I read up on them on this other site:
http://www.skepticalviewer.com/the-incredible-moving-lamp-cord/
Yet, if some of their clients are experiencing ghosts, poltergeists, and other paranormal activities and even in broad daylight and without the lights turned off. Don’t turn off the lights or perhaps turn them down a little when doing these paranormal investigations.
When doing EVP. Take and turn on two of them. One where we can hear the teams’ voices and questions. And the other recorder where the mic is muffled or completely sealed. And if there is anything, compare the two.
And when interviewing the supposed ghosts and/or potential entities
sometimes ask and talk to them about other things, other subjects and topics, and even tell them that they don’t exist either. And see what and hear what might happen. Even talk to them or even give a small lecture to them on the science of virtual reality, holodecks, and CTC wormholes. Perhaps also hyperspatial bodies and 3d matter-energy conversions too. And haha see what might happen.
Flood the fear and unknown with the known and of science and technology too.
November 22nd, 2008 at 2:36 pm
TAPS FRAUD ORAMA!!
[ A truth is a truth]………[A lie is a lie]…
How much more simple can this case be?
[AS A FAN] and a ghost hunter….I used to really like Taps Ghost
hunters episodes on TV..
But now!… I don’t trust what they show us as being anymore than..
[Made up crap]!!….
And they are getting rich doing this while most of the country is falling into economic despair….
WAKE UP FANS!!! These guys are obviously after ..[Your Money].. not the truth about the paranormal!
And the greedy… [EVENT SPONSORS]…are also guilty of fraud!
Just the way [Grant] answered
[and evaded answering the real question]..
spells out guilt!
FANS who pre paid for coming.. [TAPS]…events should ask for refunds!
[as there defense] they say we are jumping to conclusions so they can create an atmosphere of… [questionable doubt]… without really answering the main question ..[was it faked or not?] just my two cents…..
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:09 pm
George, my sentiments exactly. True.
And just as Jason and even Grant talked about and agreed in the Moss Beach episode that they found out they were being faked out by the owners of that establishment and it was a fun house setting as well.
how could they trust any activity or even evidence if it was tainted and contaminated and even if was for fun too.
So I ask Jason and Grant and all the team members of TAPS:
how can we trust you all now and wih your further investigations and any investigations and evidence that in the past has been faked, scripted, edited and even manufactured by certain clients, members of your team, and also by the post production teams??
Also, I used to like watching the Sci-Fi channel. Now, I don’t anymore.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Possible fraud… in past edited episode]
This older episode was shown after or before the ..[morgue episode].. where they caught what they called a civil war soldier on thermal scan…
In this old episode Jason was in an old mansion talking to the owner who was a known phycic…
As they were talking… the thermal camera was running..
A personal question was asked that Jason only knew the answer to ..
The phycic tryed to answer the question as the thermal camera continued to monitor them…
Then the so called evidence came out from the thermal as…
[phycic energy]… as one could see a rainbow of colors between the two men rising upward towards the ceiling..
This can not be proven… but a lot of people saw this episode where this rainbow of color started rising in the recording between the two men…
And there is a theory that that so called [PHYCIC ENERGY] was nothing more than Jason… [passing gas]… as he was sitting in the chair!!
Has anyone seen this episode?
Since gas does rise… this thermal could have picked up the rising methane monitoring it changing temperatures as It floated to the ceiling.. …
After some of us saw this so called… [phyciic energy] .. and what it appeared to be we just laughed…What fakers!!
November 23rd, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Whats wrong Cape ann? The theory George talked about [although funny]could be true…
All you have been doing is making excuses for a group of Fakers….
Anything is posable…Chill…out
November 23rd, 2008 at 2:52 pm
I think it’s a funny theory. I suppose thermal cameras are the paranormal investigator’s answer to lighting one’s farts. Certainly safer than using a real flame, eh?
I can’t even TELL you how many times I have been investigating and, during a typical paranormal fart-lighting session, I have either burned my ass til it blistered, or wore too-thick pants and couldn’t get enough pressure to make the flame fan out…
I’ll be back. I have a grant proposal to submit!
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:18 pm
haha! =)
so true.
Frightening Farts. :p
How about a new book?
Constipated Conspiracies and Faker Farts
November 24th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Hi I am FORMERGHFAN. The man responisble for the 3 videos analyzing the Jacket pull.
I just wanted to respond to a few things Grant said about me.
First off, I have never tried to contact him, send him emails, or otherwise make any statements about him personally. Have I suggeted that he hoaxed the pull? Absolutely.
As a father and now grandfather I believe that character assassination is childish.
I do love spirited debate. I would love to see a little of that coming from the Taps camp.
I made 3 videos that Highlight the events as they actually happened. I showed beyond a reasonable doubt that:
1 The thermal image shows, not fingerprints, but rather shows the inside of his collar that was exposed to his neck and is now visible by the FLIR
2 Grant’s jacket DID NOT move (As Grant stated it did. He says he felt it move on the live video)Only his collar fabric moved, proving that No force acted upon him that should make his body react the way it did.
3 Grant (Who is right handed. Never once moves his right hand but chooses to keep it at his side and uses his other hand which is holding a recorder to investigate why his collar is moving)
4 Grant very visibly fidgiting with something at his side the entire time this is happening. Also that not once does the camera catch this action happening on his right side but only from the Left where we cannot see his right hand during the Tugs.
5 The jacket collar fabric was moved one final time after Jason inspected it and Grant did not feel it.
These are all facts. It is up to the VIEWER to decide if a Ghost pulled his jacket or if Grant faked it all.
To me those are the ONLY TWO choices you can make.
Grant himself has ruled out any other. Without us being there
and with the evidence we have been so graciously bestowed with
we have no other options.
I believe most viewers are intelligent enough to use Common Sense and make up their own minds about this.
If I would love to respond to any questions about the methods I used in my analysis. If they are true investigators they should be intrigued by them. They could use some advancements in their investigations.
They can respond to any one of my youtube videos I have online:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlM-Uy8ODYQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n_HwoTKafY
This last one to me is the most important:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8xJdYBVCXQ
November 24th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
That was a spectacular analysis. Very impressive. I believe you have fully debunked the jacket tug.
If they are making untrue statements about things you have said or done, not only does it illustrate even further the point that is being made, but it also suggests that they feel threatened.
You may just have them by the short and curlies, my friend.
I think spirited debate is the best thing since sliced spleen. I also think that Jason and Grant are probably really neat guys to hang out with…but, I still very much believe that they have succumbed to the spoils of celebrity, however minor, and they are not in a position to dictate the investigations, but are rather dictated TO by the network. Money talks.
Also, I am not even sure it is THEY who are really putting a sour face on paranormal investigation as much as it is all the fanboys who cry foul when anyone doubts them. Anyone who has ever been on an investigation KNOWS that it is damn near impossible to get any evidence whatsoever, and evidence in general is very subjective.
That is why integrity is critical.
November 24th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Youa are so right about the lack of evidence on cases.
It truly is rare to say the least.
The pressure to hoax is enormous especially when it comes to
keeping a cash cow going or returning to civilian life.
It takes an ENORMOUS amount of integrity not to give in.
November 27th, 2008 at 6:44 am
I am not a paranormal investigator or anything like that. I am just just a regular working class stiff who is interested in science wether its paranormal, general, theoretical, etc.
My question is, what is the ultimate goal of a paranormal investigator? Is it to prove the existence of ghosts or an afterlife? Or are you like astronomers who look into their telescopes and record what they see?
When I was 15 I had a profound personal experience that I could not explain. The only explanation I could think of at the time was that my grandfather, who died a few days earlier, had visited me. I have never experienced anything like that since then, but the memory of the event has stuck with me.
I guess I started watching GH to maybe get some kind of validation or insight to this phenomena. After awhile I grew fond of the TAPS crew much the same way you would grow fond of the characters of any TV show.
Because of human nature and the P.T. Barnums of the world, I am and always will be a skeptic, although I am not closed minded. The old addage “The camera doesn’t lie” has been made defunct by Hollywood special effects and computer wizardry. If scientists can build huge particle colliders to simulate the beginning of the universe or create mini black holes, then there’s gotta be a better way of proving or disproving the existence of ghosts. Pictures and video don’t cut it anymore. A bigfoot researcher on some tv show said “The only way to prove that bigfoot really exists is if someone kills one and brings the body in for the world to see.”
Cape Ann Paranormal Society said it best in their Nov. 3 post. Paranormal events could be caused by anything. I think paranormal research is still in its infancy. Maybe one day it will be an important and valid field of study like biology or physics.
I’ll probably still watch GH and other shows like that. It’s entertainment, nothing more.
November 27th, 2008 at 9:17 am
The goal of paranormal investigation will depend upon the group of investigators answering that question.
My goal (and the shared goal of my group and co-author) is neither to prove nor disprove, but document and record. Attempting to prove or disprove calls into question entire belief systems, and that is not something we care to muck around with. Our clientele already have belief systems and it becomes our job to help them assimilate what is happening to them and to help them find a comfortable level of acceptance.
More than anything, we are asked, “Am I crazy?” and I am not sure how much thought people give to how this sort of thing can really disrupt the daily goings-on of someone’s life. People don’t want to live in fear, so we help them understand that there is very little in the paranormal world that is harmful (as far as is currently accepted in the field of parapsychology).
On the other hand, I have friends in groups that are interested in communicating with the deceased, and they have such a specific set of scientific protocols in place that only a few cases fit the criteria that they are willing to investigate. They are more interested in knowing how to communicate with the discarnate so that they can, among other things, implement their findings into grief therapy – and those are really only the broadest strokes of what they do…their methodologies are much heavier on analyzing data, whereas we are interested in replicating the human experience to validate or eliminate the fears of the affected.
There are many ways to study the paranormal, as long as it doesn’t involve intentional misrepresentation and fraud. The acceptance or eschewing of the paranormal is largely faith-based, so attempting to prove or disprove it is almost impossible. Many times the data will suggest that nothing is happening, but the affected “know” what they saw, felt, or heard. Barring undiagnosed schizophrenia, these people are very much in their right minds.
GhostHunters really just sensationalizes the paranormal, but it presents investigating in a way that makes it seem like it’s a-thrill-a-minute, when – actually – very little ever happens during an average investigation.
Outside of the politics of paranormal investigating (and if you haven’t guessed by this post, it is VERY political), GhostHunters is pretty entertaining, but it is by no means a legitimate comparison or representation of the entire field of paranormal research.
Happy Turkey Day!
November 29th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Ghost hunter groups claim to be scientific, and most give that appearance because they use high-tech scientific equipment. They employ equipment for a purpose for which it was not made and has not been shown to be effective.
TheEquipment used by paranormal investigators is based on theory.
These theories are called basic beliefs which draw an inference of self-justifying or self-evident. Theories provided by ghost investigators sound very scientific, but using scientific language does make it science. A theory qualifies as a good guess, a belief, or practice that is claimed to be scientific or made to appear scientific, but does not adopt the scientific method. Preconceived beliefs can lead to self deception and false conclusions.
There is a big difference between good sound theories and theories that simply just sound good. Propositions accepted as true without proof or demonstration would be more reasonable interpreted as wishful thinking instead of ,IOU an explanation.
“How sure do we need to be that our beliefs correspond to the actual world?
A ghost hunter is in a haunted location experiences a change in temperature His EMF meter is spiking high readings. His theory leads him to believe this may be evidence of a spirit trying to communicate. His theory justifies his belief a spirit is in the room.
Do ghosts really emit electromagnetic fields? Are EMF meters even capable of demonstrating that ghosts emit EM fields?
To justify a belief with out evidence is no more then a theory of the belief. Our ghost hunter believes he is in the presence of a spirit, based on beliefs, of other beliefs. So the ghost hunter’s belief isn’t based on evidence.
In theory thek2 meter can communicate with spirits. The theory is ghosts emit an electromagnetic field as they move about. The meter can detect the field if the ghost is interactive, its movements can act as a response to a question being asked. The theory is based on the led lights move in response to questions and this can only be accomplished by communicating with a spirit.
So the justifying belief is the K2 can communicate with a spirit. And the justified belief is spirits are real. Because the K2 blinks in response to yes and no questions.
But what if the belief is itself unjustified. It would in no way be one’s intellectual right to suppose that only a spirit is responsible for the K2 responding to yes and no questions.
Does the K2 really provide an inference of reality based on a theory of belief to suggest a spirit can hear and understand us and manipulate an EMF meter? The theory amounts to nonsense because it is not saying the K2 could be used to communicate with spirits; it is saying ghosts do communicate with a K2 meter. It suggests we rule out the fact it lights up for nearby electrical lines and all other possibilities.
November 29th, 2008 at 10:33 am
I have never seen a ghost, and I have not experienced a paranormal event. So what is a ghost, what does it look like, the process of stating a precise meaning seems to differ depending on where the information comes from.
This is the problem. If we can’t agree what a ghost is then how can anyone discuss it.
The definition of a ghost is said to be the apparition of a deceased person, frequently similar in appearance to that person, and usually encountered in places he or she frequented, or in association with the person’s former belongings.
The definition is lacking an accurate description, at best it only relates to something existing in perception, a ghostly appearing figure. A definition must show and have an exclusive meaning, so there is no confusion.
Example: I lived with a bitch for eight years she was malicious, I gave her love, she neglected me, snapped at me for no reason and finally one day she ran away.
You thought I was talking about an X wife or girlfriend, I simply described a term for the female of a canine species in general. This is the Importance of knowing the correct definition.
Definitions that are too narrow will exclude some things that must not be omitted from the object of the definition you are trying to describe. To say a ghost does (or does not) exist you have to know what ghost means when writing, describing or talking about a ghost.
So any meaning of a ghost, must have a definition long before you can say if one of them ghost things exist or not This is where the belief in ghosts falls flat on its face.
Without a definition of a ghost, then there is NO WAY to discuss, or describe a ghost. How can you expect to prove something to exist if you cannot give a definition of what to look for? — To go looking for something but have NO idea what to look for is not logical , you would not know it if you found it because you have no idea what you are looking for.
Im poking fun at the definition of a ghost because their is the probability that someone has given a definition to something that does not exist.
November 29th, 2008 at 11:07 am
First of all, I’m sorry to hear about your dog.
You have really made some valid points in your posts.
To address the definitions: there are definitions for the three general categories of paranormal activity. Those are apparition, haunting, and poltergeist. I did not make those up. Those are based on what is accepted and taught in the field of parapsychology. Of course they are based on “best guesses,” as we all agree that nothing has yet been proven.
Since nothing has been proven, these definitions – based on repeated experiences – have formed the framework for the general study of the field. Think of it as a map to a destination. The destination is irrefutable proof of the existance of ghosts. The framework is a basic guide that points those that wish to study the field in the direction that has netted the most clues and given greatest cause for further investigation.
There are a lot of tools used to “hunt ghosts.” In fact, people are trying new things everyday from radio communication to Frank’s box to Portuguese crowd babble. You only see the popular stuff on TV.
As far as the K2 and the EMF are concerned, they pick up electromagnetic energy of any kind – tv, microwave, cell phone, etc. It is in the absence of these known sources that we look for abnormally high readings. Since the human machine runs on electromagnetic energy, it’s not such a stretch to assert that – since energy cannnot stop, it can only change – human energy is still present beyond that which is contained in a human body.
As for the study of the paranormal in general, I submit to you that Galileo was persecuted for much of his life because he had the audacity to question the scientific beliefs of the time, and now he is considered the father of modern science.
Of course, the entire field is bogged down with crazy whack-jobs that make it very, very difficult to maintain any manner of legitimacy in this field of study. But, overall interest in the subject matter has increased a thousandfold, and they are what continue to motivate people to continue on whatever path of paranormal study appeals to their interests.
November 29th, 2008 at 11:31 am
I have always found it interesting that atheists and hardcore skeptics tend to consider themselves to be free thinkers and having objectively open minds when they do just as much to shoe horn data and anticipate how data will fit within their belief system, because that is what it is, as their true believer counter parts. I have always taken the line that any one who is absolutely sure of anything in this regard is an idiot. There is no way of knowing absolutely that there is or is not a God and there is no way of knowing absolutely whether there is any manner of survival after death.
The issue is made worse when critics and pundits of both sides have no idea what they are talking about. If you watch a show like Ghost Hunters, or just follow popular media on the topic itself, you tend to think that is all there is and that the only methodologies that exist for investigation is to take an emf detector or voice recorder in and that there is no checks and balance system in place and no deeper methodology than shoe horning flimsy data into a rigidly held belief structure. That is really too bad because there is much more to it than that. Sadly, however, doing chi square statistical analysis is not very exciting and the much more scientific methods of investigations would not make good television. Clearly even the most seat of the pants sorts of investigation styles need a bit of punching up or you wouldn’t need rigged collars and people pretending to be pushed when they’ve tripped on a rock.
I am not going to go into the more scientific methods here because I am not involved with them personally and because I frankly can’t be bothered to do someone else’s research for them when they feel they can speak intelligently about a subject they know little about and smugly declare it all ridiculous tripe.
I can offer the operational definitions of the types of activity typically seen however, as is generally accepted by the more scientific researchers. There are three different sorts of activity one tends to encounter when investigating, if any such activity is encountered at all, which is not very often in the grand scheme of things.
The first is the apparition, which is more or less the generally accepted sort of ghost. It is believed to be the spirit of a dead person and retains some measure of sentience. It is typically seen as a black or white silhouette and most often out of the corner or someone’s eye. The figure will often look human shaped but can present as more of a mist as well. Apparitions sometimes seem to want to communicate and may be able to manipulate objects.
The second type is what is called a residual haunting and is thought to be a recording of an event on a place and time. The event replays itself over and over again without change or alteration in perpetuity. It typically happens at the same time and place consistently. In these replays people involved are typically fully dressed and manipulate objects. Clearly if one accepts that apparitions are spirits, and clothing and objects do not have spirits, one can understand the distinction here as anything showing up in overalls wielding a hatchet is not a ghost but rather a residual haunting. Or a lunatic with a hatchet.
The third is a poltergeist, which is everyone’s favorite exciting activity because it throws things around the room. The word means noisy spirit but it is not believed to be a spirit at all but rather the unconscious, unleashed psychokinetic energy from a human agent. Most people are not familiar with the term psychokinesis, but it is the ability to manipulate objects with one’s mind. Colloquially it is known as telekinesis but that is something of an outmoded term. The human agent is unaware of what they are doing and it typically comes up during times of stress, an often during adolescence.
None of these are mutually exclusive, they can all happen at once but they are all distinct.
Obviously nothing said above will convince the hardcore skeptic, mainly because the hardcore skeptic has a vested interest in being a hardcore skeptic, but there are distinct definitions for ghosts and their activity that are operationally used by those in the field who are more scientifically based.
I don’t claim to be able to prove anything in the paranormal field and to make such a claim is somewhat laughable because you can’t replicate in a laboratory setting, you can’t really trust photos and video of others anymore, you can’t trust the sound captures of others anymore. These are very serious confounds in the field and I am not sure there is any way to ever definitively prove anything in the paranormal on a large scale. It is very personal in a lot of ways. You can say that any proof is based on shoe horning or expectation, but the same can be said for the counter argument. James Randi can brow beat a teenager into throwing something across the room and use that as proof she was faking the poltergeist activity all along if he wants but when you have something that the subject has no control over, sitting in their living room demanding results only proves you are an asshole, not that your operating methods are any more sound than those you are trying to refute.
At the end of the day, a lot of what we accept as fact is faith based or based on the belief that the theory is sound. As the intelligent design crowd likes to say, evolution is only a theory. It is a very good one though, based on evidence. And saying that theories regarding the paranormal are bad ones based on an ignorance of methodologies and best practices in gathering evidence is simply that: ignorance. Further, if you think that intangibles can’t be used to prove anything, show me the number two without resorting to outside representation like fingers, the character for it, or a couple of representational items and then we can talk.
November 30th, 2008 at 12:37 am
Wow, I’m floored that this thread is still gaining steam. I’m curious about how much of an average day/week/month this hobby consumes of someone from CAPS?
What is the average education of a member? any PHD holders?
Any insight so I might try to understand what makes y’all tick.
Not looking for details, just curious about the lifestyle.
November 30th, 2008 at 10:08 am
I don’t know that the “lifestyle” differs too much from anyone in any other profession. In fact, we devote an entire section in our book to exactly what a paranormal investigator IS and IS NOT.
My group is either college educated or has “street cred”…I am very particular who the group associates with (specifically regarding paranormal investigation) because there are so many nutjobs that are trying to glom on to whatever popularity is floating around with the study…I won’t even START with the psychopath who is giving “ghost tours” downtown…that freak makes me want to punch MYSELF in the face. I have known the people in my group for many, many years. We are a small group and we never take any new members. If we require a larger amount of peeps, we call another group that we know and trust, and they provide the extra manpower.
For the most part, we have families, children, pets, real jobs, and real lives. In a perfect world, we don’t have mullets, wear trenchcoats, fedoras, or ill-fitting pants that reveal enough buttcrack to plant daisies, or stomp around in some sort of contrived combat gear. People that do that shit are assholes, as far as I am concerned, and they are the ones that make the rest of us look bad. Sorry if I stepped on anyone’s toes with that one…
We do a fair amount of vetting as far as our clientele is concerned, and, quite frankly, there is no way in hell I am getting out of the bed at 1:00 a.m. to go to a complete stranger’s house who is complaining that his house is “freaking out.” That sounds more like a “rapid response” intervention situation, to me. In fact, we don’t even have our phone number listed on our business card…email all the way, baby.
I suppose I lost my taste for home investigations in general after a series of disturbing emails from someone who aggressively insisted that we come investigate their secret underground dungeon they had discovered that emitted a foul odor…they felt compelled to mention that all of the doors on the house locked from the outside so that people could be held captive…this is why we stick mostly to public domain and business investigations.
People are NUTS. I swear to God.
November 30th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Katie, I like your **style**
What if we rule out all the negative videos and the string theory? With no evidence available we can look at what we actually saw during the live broadcast. When we see the jacket tug we have options, is it explainable or unexplainable, how we choose depends on what we believe and reasons that justify why we believe something to be true or false.
The answer should consist of what people in common would agree on.
Grant believes it was a spirit. When he says he believes the jacket was pulled, he is asserting the truth. His mental acceptance of something as true, even though absolute certainty may be absent.
If we believe Grant’ then we accept it as true on his personal knowledge, without proof. We can either believe him or we can use our intellectual ability to determine another reasonable conclusion.
Without evidence it becomes a probability problem, which involves finding the number of possible outcomes and then using them to determine a probability. It may include anything which is or appears more probable; anything that has the appearance of reality or truth..
In most cases it moves the probability of a claim into the form of “odds”, against or in its favor. Applying logical reasons from the information; I was able to form a reliable and trustworthy conclusion. It is my opinion and has nothing to do whether or not I believe ghosts exist. I found it more probable that Grant manipulated the jacket tug.
Different events may have different levels of probability, depending whether we think they are more likely to be true or false. Lets look a spoon bending.
Uri Geller bends spoons. He claims to do it using only the power of his mind. He has performed On TV. A magician also bends spoons, but he does so using misdirection and the techniques of stage magic. Has the magician demonstrated that Geller uses stage magic to bend spoons? No, he hasn’t. He has only demonstrated that it is possible to do the same thing Geller does by using stage magic. It is up to Geller to show us that it can be done with absolutely no other explanations seeming plausible.
Grant is responsible to give an explanation how a spirit and only a spirit is the only explanation that can possible rule out all other explanations. Grant say’s, he can’t explain it. Whoa, hold on, he did mention his microphone cord attached to his back was a possibility but it was ruled out. Jay examined the coat during the live broadcast and did not see anything suspicious.. Then it’s possibly a paranormal unexplained phenomenon, or a spirit is responsible and that explains it. Or we accept it on Grant’s word because he say’s so.
To accept anything someone says’s, I often remember my grade school teacher’s famous words. “Okay” everybody let’s put on our thinking caps. Or the wisdom of our parents, don’t believe everything your hear. And my favorite, if it sounds too good to be true….”.is it.”
The 3D video FORMERGHFAN professionally made clearly shows in great detail the more plausible explanation. Does the video with out question prove fakery? No, it only shows that string can also be used to tug a jacket.
The possibility of any theory on ghosts being legitimate is always there, but as long as alternate explanations are equally as likely we should take all claims to the next level.
November 30th, 2008 at 11:07 am
I couldn’t have written a clearer explanation of eliminating all other options before blindly accepting the word of someone who’s integrity may be tenuous, at best, myself…at least not without being distracted by something shiny…:)
Paranormal investigation is a fairly hard road…sort of like trying to eat soup with a fork. You get just enough soup sticking to the fork to keep eating it, but you always wish you could just get one, nice spoonful.
Honestly, I am not sure that I am ready for anyone to definitively prove the existence of ghosts. Once proven, there is nothing left to discover…if we could establish that ghosts were, in fact, another extension of humanity, we would then get bogged down in the legalities of studying the deceased. Are we violating any laws? Are their rights being upheld? Are they still protected under the constitution, or will their be a separate bill of noncorporeal rights?
I think I will get a jump on it and start practicing discarnate law.
November 30th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Oh, and thank you for liking my **style**…I appreciate that…
November 30th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Katie, My last post. Good luck with your new book.I did like everything you wrote, If your interested in giving a podcast interview. (plug the book of course) And give your opinion on the paranormal, where it’s going and how it should be viewed. Visit http://www.skepticalviewer.com/ Contact Stephen or Logisti, they are interested in interviewing someone in the paranormal field. Cape Ann Paranormal Society – That is extended to you also. Or visit the site and comment on the TAPS evidence. I think you both will find it interesting. Good luck… Paul
November 30th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Wow, thanks you guys! I really appreciate all of your kind words. I will definitely contact you, Freethinker, regarding the podcast interview (with my co-author, of course) and JM, I will definitely keep the lines of communication open!
Thanks for contributing, you have really made this post fun and interesting…make sure you check out all the other posts on this website, as well!!!
December 2nd, 2008 at 4:49 am
I believe Grant has set up similar fakes in the past. I think he does this without the knowledge of most other members of TAPS aside from Jason. There is an episode of an investigation in a hotel the room Grant chooses is rumoured to have a ghost that likes to unmake the bed if it has been made-up. When Steve checks the room the bed has been unmade and when the video is reviewed they are astonished to see the bed unmake itself. Some very good debunking by Steve reveals that someone has stopped the DVR, hid by the bed, remotely started the DVR and pulled the sheets down, stopped the DVR again so they can leave the bedside and re-started the DVR before leaving the room. They are aghast that someone has duped themn and blame ppl in the hotel. I doubt the hotel staff had this much knowledge of TAPS gear. More likely, Grant has setup the hoax for TAPS team to find.
In another hotel investigation Steve reviews DVR evidence showing a doona/quilt moving by itself off Grant’s foot whilst he is supposedly sleeping in a room that is runoured to have a ghost that likes to remove bedsheets and tickle guest’s feet. The movement of the doona material looks very much like that of Grant’s jacket in the infamous 2008 Live show. Grant looks amazed when Steve shows him the evidence (surely he would have noticed before this that someone has uncovered his foot whilst sleeping in this room that is supposed to be notorious for this??) Jason once again seemed to distance himself from this evidence.
December 2nd, 2008 at 7:11 am
Ah, yes…I believe that was the Queen Mary episode. I absolutely remember that chicanery!
December 2nd, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Responding to skeptics everywhere… as an investigator of the paranormal over 5 years..
[I'm not calling myself any expert on the paranormal by no means]
But I want to say that something does exist beyond the physical reality we endure every day…
Whether one wants to call it ghosts…demons….angles…aliens.. or any other name doesn’t matter..
I have obtained good evidence that beings from other dimensions do exist and sometimes these dimensions do collide with the dimensional world we live in today…
I think that the equipment that most investigators use today is overrated when it comes to obtaining evidence of the paranormal…
Good paranormal evidence is hard to come by..You cant just whip up every Wednesday in time for all your fans to see…
Some of my best evidence has come in the form of audio recordings or [EVP] recordings…
It takes hundreds or thousands of photos to come up with anything of high quality..
And I don’t consider most ORBS worth my time….
And other evidence I picked up with my own physical senses…
And when I say good evidence I mean direct answers to direct questions on EVP tape or digital recorders…
I have one direct answer from a being in a dark cemetery that was 12 words long!
And in that cemetery that night where I stood alone.. next to a moseliem I’m sure no one of this world was near by!
I didn’t find that audio evidence untill months later when I re ran that part of the tape hearing again my question and then an answer right after.. almost hidden in layers of static…
I tryed to edit out as much of the static as possible…
The… [direct answer to my question]…was 12 words long and very creepy…
I also was at an all night investigation at the Waverly Hills Sanatorium with other investigators…
And I personally remember standing in a small room on the 4Th floor about 3:00am with 4 other investigators trying to conduct an EVP session…
We asked questions to any spirits that were there.,. and we picked up human sounds on our recorders and also could hear with our own ears the moans and crys of past patients that suffered in the hospital before a cure for TB was discovered in the 1940s…
There is a theory about these kind of recordings…
They are not quite the same as direct answers,,,
Not shure what to call them but there is something out there and no skeptic will ever change my mind on that….
When it comes to Taps producing exelent evidence in time for fans every Wednesday..
I just laugh …..
December 2nd, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Just wanted to drop a comment. I have never seen or heard a ghost (not that I know of), but TAPS and Ghost Hunters have really brought me into the interest of the paranormal. And I would like to join them on some of the events they hold, someday. To really investigate the hardcore buildings you know.
Anyway.. First of all I think the Fraud-O-Rama-video is retarded. It’s accusing Ghost Hunters and Pilgrim Films on soooo weak spots so it’s laughable. No arguments at all, and people are instantly jumping in the boat with “Ohh, GH is so full of shit” blablabla. Can _ANYONE_ show me a good example that clearly shows that they are faking stuff? The supposed fakery in the movie havn’t even been reproduced by any ultraskeptic that’s assaulting them, just lame accuses.
“321.. Go”. Omg, no! The show must be faked because they told Steve to start moving. Well smartass, did you want them to begin investigate before the commersial was over? What if they caught something then. It’s a 6 hour timed show, everything must go according to time schedule. They need pauses as well you know. If it was staged, you wouldn’t even hear the “321..Go” slip through.
Also, some things are explained by Grant in his blog, and I think the same thing. Like the audioguy walking in on them, it is live, hard to get things perfect.
The Voice: Whatever, I’ve heard other strange disembodied voices. Jason thought it could’ve been guards outside the island. I don’t know, it sounded very ghostly to me, hehe. Still, don’t accuse them for fakery if you can’t find any arguments.
One thing that also ticks me off is that people think they are so damn rich! If you are to believe Grant now, he says on the All Access-show that they are in fact not millionairs whatever. I can believe him. Just look at Jackass or the Dirty Sanchez show (realityshows), I mean… The only ones who are rich there must be Bam Margera and maybe Johnny Knoxville, but only for their rich parents and a lot of commersial, also movies.
Keith Johnson (who appeared on the first season of GH as a demonologist) said in an interview that he has never been paid for being on GH. Believe what you want.
So why did they start the supposed fakery now all of a sudden? And not before, as some people are claiming. It doesn’t make any sense at all. I don’t think money or ratings would be any problem (like some people are saying that they need) considering they are #1 watched show on a wednesday night, on the whole cable network.
I also love that TAPS are having events, where people can investigate with them. Are you saying they are faking there too? If a regular person catches a shadow person on his camera, it’s TAPS making? Lol!
They are also donating money (maybe from the little money they get from the show, because well… They must get a tiny bit of cash after all) for cancer research, tourettes campaign (just a couple of weeks ago), red cross etc. That’s what makes them so loveable. They care. They aren’t greedy.
I also might wanna add… I don’t think Wright-Patterson Air Force Base would allow cheaters to investigate their buildings, and not to mention the pentagon clearence. And even! Would the people at the air force base lie about their paranormal activites (for reality tv, lol come on)? That would risk their jobs and maybe even prison if someone from the pentagon discovers that.
Hell, I live all the way in Sweden and I care this much. I just don’t think it’s fair to accuse people for cheating when there are no solid proofs. Just my opinion. Some people are just so close-minded, is it cureable? I don’t know.
December 2nd, 2008 at 6:03 pm
So, lemme see if I follow…
You haven’t actually seen a ghost, and you have no particular affiliation to paranormal investigation, but yet you are certain that – because they are on TV and donate to charity – they MUST be completely honest and incapable of a little on-camera trickery?
In fact, you had no interest in the paranormal until watching Ghost Hunters. So, based on that it is safe to assume that your only education in the field of paranormal investigation is from the T.A.P.S. school of ghosthunting.
You have taken the liberty of calling someone’s valid and well-thought-out debunking video “retarded” while simultaneously challenging us show evidence that they are faking…
It doesn’t work that way. We, as viewers and experts in the field are not the ones selling a bill of goods suggesting this uncanny and fabulous inventory of so-called “evidence” and expecting everyone to jump on the Ghost Hunters bandwagon. We are calling it as we see it.
Now, since you brought it up…why don’t you go ahead and prove to the readers of this thread, beyond any shadow of doubt, that T.A.P.S. have never, ever, not even ONE time, exaggerated their findings for national television in an ongoing effort to secure ratings and income (however modest)?
Oh, that’s right…because you CAN’T POSSIBLY DO THAT!
Futhermore, even janitors can get SOME level of Pentagon clearance.
checkmate.
December 2nd, 2008 at 6:47 pm
“because they are on TV and donate to charity – they MUST be completely honest and incapable of a little on-camera trickery?”
They have done this for almost 16 years. Why blow they career with over thousands of helping out people in their houses around America. Implying that they are lying as well? All the scared individuals that actually needs help because of paranormal events occuring in their houses.
It wasn’t even TAPS who wanted the TV-show. Sci-Fi came to them because they thought what they did was interesting. So they wanted to make a show where they would dramatize stuff and fake stuff, but that wasn’t anything J&G wanted, so they decided to do a reality documentary show.
I had interest in the paranormal, not just as wide as when I discovered Ghost Hunters. If I put it that way.
I don’t know what you mean with TAPS school of ghosthunting. I know how many different equipments work. How they can misfunction, and so on.
“You have taken the liberty of calling someone’s valid and well-thought-out debunking video”.
“Well-thought-out” was a funny statement. Just look how biased that video is and you see what I mean. It’s so unfair. Oh god, he’s having his thumb inside his pocket, SO IT MUST BE A STRING! Which you cannot see anywhere. And it happens three times so don’t try to be descreet, no no. Or when he talks about “hearing it in the earpiece”, yes.. The producer or whatever replayed the sound in the earpiece so everyone could hear what evidence they caught, afterwards. That’s how I understood it.
People have actually investigated with J&G, Tango, Steve, Kris. I like that sort of opportunity.
And yes I have to admit. Today it is hard to convince people that something that’s not normal is real. With all the computer generated graphics we have. I just can’t believe why it’s so important for a regular citizen to lie about paranormal events, have an investigaton called out to help them. Are they all having over-active imagination? Are we all having parodelia/matrixing when the camera pick something up, or a voice on a digital recorder.
That’s also one of the things why all these ghost groups have started, to help people with their problems, where psychology isn’t enough.
I’ve actually tried myself to find flaws in TAPS network. Sure, some evidence are quite astonishing and unbelievable. I just have to take their word for it, I don’t know, until I meet them someday and investigate with them or by myself and I might be 100% sure that they are sincere. After reading their history, their book, listening to all the radio episodes, seeing them as friends with all the people (if not their friendship is faked too), nobody from the ones they’ve met are telling on them – saying they are frauds. It should have come out earlier if they were faking stuff.
Maybe this last piece is quite weird, don’t know. I’m tired (it’s 02:45 here) and I’m just spawning words. I’m still gonna watch the show, looking forward to HD next season as well.
December 3rd, 2008 at 8:42 am
Cryx, you must understand that I as well as many others, faithfully watched TAPS every week since the begining. I started to become skeptical of the amount of evidence they obtained. If you watched earlier seasons, it would not be uncommon to watch an entire episode and for them to not catch anything. But the past couple of seasons they have been catching something every episode, and good evidence to boot. Now let’s just say they got lucky, fine.
As far as the “321….go” the only reason that is critcal is because when TAPS goes on investigations, they are suppose to be investigating regardless if the camera is not on them, otherwise WHAT are they doing? But hey, I can accept that one too. Think of it this way. Jay and Grant on camera investigating. Steve and Tango……..standing in a corner waiting. Camera goes off of J and G. Now they stop investigating? What is the point. That clearly shows they are a reality T.V. show and not the investigating team they claim to be.
I cannot believe the jacket tug though. No way will anyone ever convince me of that one. It also plays into previous shows with the blanket pulling off of Grants leg, very similiar. All well the arguments continue. :0)
December 3rd, 2008 at 8:51 am
But that’s the beauty of it…if everyone agreed, there would be nothing to post about! I love a spirited debate…in fact, I may have started a full-on religious war in the “Please Don’t Litter” post…
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Here’s the episode with the blanket and Grant’s leg.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=d2nPK50_nPw
Looks like it’s being pulled from underneath, not being lifted up and over.
December 3rd, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Cryx..you must understand that ..
[WE ARE NOT HATERS OF THE TAPS SHOW]..As Grant has sugested…
[most if not all of us... were taps fans untill that jacket tug thing...
Go to other sites and read posts from many other [ex taps fans] who agree with our findings that they were caught faking evedence!
Taps is trying to continue their series as if nothing was wrong..
But they know that they are in trouble!!!
This taps fraud thing is spreading like a virus over the internet and it just a matter of time and its going to take them down…
As a ghost hunter I would rather see a [new ghosthunter series] that was showing us honest findings even if it were boring a lot of the time..
The truth about the paranormal is much more valuable to me than a bunch of staged tricks… my thoughts…
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:50 pm
“Cryx..you must understand that ..
[WE ARE NOT HATERS OF THE TAPS SHOW]..”
Heh yeah… I can see that. You just wanna bring the show down, ok, makes sense. It will never happen. Just look at Grant’s blog comments, it’s over 29 pages with mostly comforting comments. And that’s only people who bother add them to friends and respond to the blogs.
I find it so weird that you so easily accept the propaganda that Moviedan is spreading. He’s mocking TAPS. Yeah he does play with his hood (not 100% sure if he does it 1.5 min before the “pull” though, but if moviedan says it, it must be true, doesn’t matter anyway… *duh*)
Grant says that they tried that “hood falling down after clap”-thing and it did it everytime, of course we would like to have a video on that.
They have some evidence that is hard to fake imo. Like the glass shatter from Stanley Hotel. You hear a glass broke, and yeah you know. Sure it could’ve been faked, maybe not so easy though dunno. They are trying to tell us ghosts exist and I guess the only way is to come face to face with one yourself until you can believe.
I live outside of a small town in Sweden and 100 kilometres from here, there lies a supposedly haunted house which have stories from 19t century. I was quite happy when I noticed GHI was gonna film there. They actually stayed at a hotel just 10 kilometres from where I live, lulz. The place is called Borgvattnet btw, in case you’ve heard from it. If GHI finds anything, I am surely gonna visit it with equipments etc. Think I’m gonna go still if they don’t find anything. My mom was there a couple of years ago, she didn’t experience anything except someone breathing on her at night so she woke up, didn’t see anybody. And she also felt watched.
December 4th, 2008 at 5:36 am
A scientific look at the paranormal. ***It’s A GO***
New Television Pilot: It’s a Wrap!
We all would love to believe that aliens have visited us, that there was a second gunman on the grassy knoll, that certain gifted people can move objects with their mind. But belief is not enough. Like any accepted science, these ideas must stand up to experimentation. Belief alone is not proof. That is where we come in.
http://www.skeptologists.com/
December 4th, 2008 at 6:23 am
OK, I did a google search on ghosthumters and on pg. 7 I found this article.
http://www.csicop.org/si/2006-05/i-files.html
It’s a very compelling and well written article with tons of reference material. Apparently, the author of the article, Joe Nickell, is like the ultimate paranormal investigator. I’d never heard of him till tonight. Or, maybe I have, since he’s done numerous public and media appearances according to wikipedia.
Anyway here’s an excerpt from the article:
The pseudoscientific approach is presented—one might almost say caricatured—by a ghostly reality show airing weekly on the Sci-Fi Channel. Called Ghost Hunters, it features two hapless paranormalists—Jason Hewes and Grant Wilson—who, by day, are Roto Rooter plumbers in New Jersey, and, by night, leaders of The Atlantic Paranormal Society (TAPS). With some skepticism to enhance overall credibility (a token nonbeliever on each show), the duo present “evidence” for alleged hauntings.
Apparently ignoring my debunking of the “haunted” Myrtles Plantation in Louisiana (Nickell 2003), they visited the site for their second-season premier, July 27, 2005. Among their presentations was a video sequence of a lamp gliding across a table in the plantation’s “slave shack.” Many viewers were outraged, according to Television Week (Hibbard 2005, 19):
Upon close inspection, fans concluded, the lamp was being pulled by its own cord. Even worse: a night-vision shot appears to show the cord extending from behind the table to Mr. Wilson’s hand. And the so-called slave shack, Internet researchers said, was built recently and never housed slaves.
A Sci-Fi programming executive said lamely, “It’s definitely important to us that this show is not manufacturing anything, and our assurance comes from those doing that show, because it’s even more important to them—Jason and Grant’s reputations are riding on this more than anybody’s.” He added, “I believe the show is real and I’m the biggest skeptic, out there.”
The article isn’t all about TAPS but almost a brief or condensed history of paranormal investigation. I like the way this guy thinks and I’ll probably end up reading more of his stuff.
I did watch the show last night which happened to be shot in my hometown, San Diego. It just seemed like more of the same thing. No really compelling evidence. I’ve never been to that maritime museum but you know what? After watching the show, I’m probably gonna go check it out now.
Uh oh, is this how the paranormal investigating bug starts. Check out a few blogs visit some haunted sites…next thing you know I’m looking on Ebay for EMF detectors and hangin out at cemetaries. LOL
Katie, I just wanna concur this is a great blog subject and I wanna check out some of your work too. I saw your Email in an earlier post so I’ll Email you OK.
December 4th, 2008 at 9:26 am
Thanks, Rich! By all means send me an email! I really dig that everyone is posting their opinions up here!
December 4th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Again, be sure and take a look at all the other non-paranormal posts on this site! It’s good stuff, man!
December 4th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Okay, maybe this is not the right place, but let’s think back on previous shows. Does anyone think they have really caught any evidence on the show? The only one I wonder about is the lighthouse, but then I think it was a well thought out scheme that was later edited to look like we saw the shadows they “witnessed.”
December 4th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Certainly there are people interested in investigating and in learning how to start out, but not any kind of inundation. I personally think that having an elitist attitude toward ‘wannabes’ is one of the major problems with the field and that treating them as though they are irritants instead of pointing them in the right direction is one of the primary contributors to the number of aimless groups spouting ignorant nonsense. Most people want to know what it is that we really do and how to really do it but in absence of that they will fill it in with their own ideas. I am not sure which hurts the field more, people who misrepresent the rest of us out of ignorance or people who come off like impatient assholes. It is really a circular argument at the end of the day I suppose.
December 5th, 2008 at 10:41 am
JM, I can understand your frustration, but that’s where the word “NO” comes into play very conveniently. For example:
“JM, OMG, I AM SO GLAD I GOT AHOLD OF YOU AT 3:00 A.M.! I WAS SURE YOU’D BE SLEEPING. Listen, I’ve got a case out here in Jankville and it’s way out of hand. My group can’t handle it alone. Can you guys get up out of your nice, warm beds and bail us out of our self-inflicted misery?”
“Absolutely not. Please don’t call me at 3:00 a.m. Your unpreparedness does not constitute an emergency on my part. If you would like our help, please contact us during respectable hours. If it is too much for you to handle, then pack your things and tell the client you will have to schedule a follow-up investigation. Goodnight.”
It may not make you the most popular ghost hunter in town, but who gives a shit? They’re not going to call you at 3:00 a.m. again.
Unless you are looking to be johnny-on-the-spot and get as much investigating under your belt as you possibly can, then that sort of thing is just the cost of doing business. They aren’t going to call you at such an absurd hour unless they think they can.
I mean, I would be PISSED if someone did that to me. But they never have, because they already know better. Just think of it as a valuable opportunity to impart your investigating wisdom on to the newer groups.
If people are really THAT scared to be in their house, they need to go stay with friends or the Holiday Inn Express…
Hey, doesn’t TAPS always stay at Holiday Inn Express on each of their investigations?
“I’m not really a ghosthunter, but I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!”
December 5th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Well, then you gotta take the call with a grain of salt, my friend!!! You put in the time (even if it’s 3 friggin’ a.m. – I shudder at the thought) and you reap the rewards…
Of course, with Murphy’s law, I would probably be the one in the bathroom when the apparition of all time appeared…
December 5th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
yes
and when you hear loud bangings on the door
and voices and yelling…
it will be me cause you be in there too long
and I have to go too. :p
December 5th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
And when you hear loud banging on the door and voices and yelling from INSIDE the bathroom…
Somebody better BRING me some damn toilet paper.
December 5th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
haha =)
touche….toilet touche.
Don’t worry I got a 12 roll in my arms.
Just got back from Walmart
December 8th, 2008 at 11:19 am
i agree jay and grant are as bad as most haunted.so i reported them as frauds.
anyways my freind built a website about them and there supposed forums and what he found out was just mind blowing.
read it all here
http://tapsprosorcons.110mb.com/
December 8th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
I’m just wondering here…when you get shots of a person entering the room and/or exiting, isn’t there a CAMERA MAN before and after the “scene”? Also, why is it that the lights have to be shut off in order to meet up with whatever there is to be “encountered”? A ghost or entity is either there in the daylight or in the dark. What do these entities do when it’s sunny out and beautiful weather? Sleep, hide? Gimme a break. If there is something going on, it happens no matter the time of day. There. I said it.
December 8th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Hello. I am called Ivars-Bliv. My life in Latvija. I lwatch ghost hunter program. Is very nice. In Latvija, we have opportunity to get program in satellite. Looking is afraid. In Latvija no movie as in America ghost hunter program. In Latvija, many stories many people. Many stories. I donot understand to be scary. Is interest. Is these story real?
looking for ghosts here. in latvija.
many thank-you.
Ivars-Bliv
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December 8th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Lots of groups do this at night for the ambience. By no means is that a requirement. I have had just as much creepy stuff happening during banker’s hours as during “dead time.” It just depends on the group and what specific evidence they are looking for.
December 8th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Thanks Cape Ann for your reply. What about these “orbs” that people swear that are spirits or something else? From what I know, it’s just dust or reflections of light. Also, there is the “music” that is the making of background production in the episodes. Does anyone really think that the folks who are actually investigating the paranormal have the scary background “muzak” going on as they go about their findings?
I don’t think so……
December 8th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Most orbs ARE dust. Some are worth noting, depending on the circumstances around the photo being taken. In all cases, you have to make sure it’s a “clean catch” and find your dust sources before getting all excited about it.
Not ALL orbs are dust, however. All the other ghost folks on here can feel free to jump my shit on this one, if they feel they must, but I can recall a time not too long ago when all of the same ghost hunters that now laugh at people who haven’t completely dismissed orbs were the first ones to jump up and show you all there “GREAT ORB CAPTURES!”
In any case, it’s not the most fabulous thing in the world and, at best, orbs are merely a collection of energy that may suggest the possibility of a paranormal event. It’s like finding a penny in the street…some people care enough to pick them up and some people step right over them…
Oh, and muzak is WAY scarier than ghosts.
December 9th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Hell yeah, I’m right!!!!
Woohoo!!!
I only consider orb photos that I have taken. It’s the only way to be sure that someone isn’t trying to piss on your leg and tell you it’s raining.
December 9th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Don’t look at me…I was holding the umbrella.
December 10th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Wow, nice discussion and debate on the TAPS Frauds! Yep, another dismayed fan of the show. There is a lot of good debate over what is or what was. Sure Sci-Fi needs to coordinate the live shows in some fashion, so some of the ‘lies’ are not justified, but I do think the collar thing is definately suspect, and once something like that leaks out, then anything they have done is suspect. This show unfortunately suffers from poor investigating from square one. The way they investigate is suspect, some of the ‘methods’ they use to debunk things is questionable if not arbitrary, the way Sci-Fi depicts the show is horrible (like the background music they have to play to set the atmosphere, thus making it harder to hear actual events). Think of all the times they are walking around, walk around a corner and ’see’ something and start freaking out about it, yet the viewer will never get to see it because the cameraman is twenty feet behind them, and gee, they never have one of the many DVR units on them. Some of their EVPs are way too fantastic, the clarity of which would make any bonafide hunter salivate, yet they act like it’s just another day at the office. All too often I shake my head and think, if I was there I would do this or that in order to catch more evidence, and when they do they play around in that area for a few minutes and go do something else. The show has had some great footage when they do catch something, yet now other events are in question after the live show. Another annoying aspect of this show is how in the reveal they almost seem arbitrary about what makes a place haunted or not. They have a bunch of personal experiences and then tell the owner or manager that “something is happening here, but we can’t say it is haunted” while other times they get scant evidence and call the place haunted!
The question that comes to mind constantly is: If I was investigating a place that was close to home and it was very active, wouldn’t I want to go to that location and investigate as often as possible? Yet these guys have only shown up twice in three different locations over the span of four years? Way to go! Whenever an’ event’ is occuring, wouldn’t you try to get as much tools (camera, video, voice recorders, etc..) into the area in order to gain evidence? Another annoying habit they do is whenever they hear or see something (in a confined area like a house), they go chasing after it to ‘prove’ that it was not a person (in which they should know the location they are at is secure), and basically scare off whatever caused the incident instead of being passive and allowing it to happen again (and capture proof).
December 11th, 2008 at 10:05 am
AMEN!
December 15th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Remember this is just a TV show. You can believe or not. Jason and Grant are there to make money. I used to like the show when they first came on cable, but it started to get stupid. But they are under contract to get people to watch, so they bring in more women, and an Asian guy. I guess they thought it would bring on more Asian people to watch, I know they are good friends with Joe. (Joe is a good guy and would not be part of any of the BS) But you have to give them some credit. You may not like the fake BS that was on the show but they were able to do one thing.
They got you to watch the show, and keep talking about them. For everyone who did not go to college, it’s called Brand Marketing. And they are laughing all the way to the bank. Let them have their fun, like everything this too will come to an end.
December 17th, 2008 at 6:04 am
my freinds site got hacked by a member of the taps forum…
December 17th, 2008 at 8:19 am
Just in case “Happy Holidays ” to all (dead or alive )
December 21st, 2008 at 9:26 am
Merry Christmas, Everybody!!! Happy New Year, Too!!!
December 23rd, 2008 at 12:50 pm
WOW!! CAPS..TEAM and TAPS ..TEAM !!
Cant get any closer than that!….
December 25th, 2008 at 12:35 am
Read the Criticism section:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Hunters
The important questions are obviously: is the data valid? and is the source trustworthy? Both questions do not have satisfiable answers. Data is obtained without any scientific methods and the gadgets have not been proven reliable. The source is a group of plumbers and the channel on which this show appears is Sci Fi meaning Science Fiction which should lead people to understand that any information provided may not be true.
January 7th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
I don’t believe TAPS is a fraud, but after watching some videos on a fansite that started making me think Jay and Grant might have been duping us during the Live 2008 episode, I really don’t know what to say about Ghost Hunters. Love the show… but… Idk. can someone tell me otherwise that the Halloween Special wasn’t a fraud?
January 7th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Well, if it helps you, think of it this way…I am CERTAIN that they did not INTEND to dupe people, but now they are at the mercy of the network.
Although, it is hard to claim no knowledge of something when you have a smoking gun – or in this case, a string tied to your jacket.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Mercy of the network? I think they enjoy their fame than the feeling of a REAL experience. I’d rather KNOW that Jay and Grant are doing their job right than WATCHING and picking out the crap. It’s on right now and i cant even stomach to watch it…. shame shame. really loved the show. but now im half tempted to post that fraud-proven video from YouTube on their MySpace and etc. maybe they’ll wake up.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Well, you are reeling from the shock of realizing that you trusted these guys and it was misguided. I still feel like they are enjoying the paycheck at this point.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Yup. If they have come down to that point i better find some new heros if im not told otherwise. love TAPS, but im getting ready to say skrew Ghost Hunters and just about everyone on the show…. just about.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Well, I plan on being a big, famous ghost hunter on TV, so I will keep you posted on that, okay?
January 7th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
lol katie if you werent using total sarcasim in that last comment, i beg you not to turn into a fake. i’ll end up being a big googly fan and then crap goes on the internet and….. yaaaa. haha.
i too plan on being a ghost hunter and hopefully find or start a group in my community. i just dont want frauds as my role model.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Fair enough!!!! Good for you starting up a group…it can be tough, but stick to it!
Where are you located?
January 7th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
lol no i didn’t start the group yet but there are a few friends in highschool who are absolutely up for it. when we graduate we’ll look into further detail and definetly go at it.
Im in Berks, PA, incase something ever happens. :]
and you?
January 7th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Oh, I am WAY across the country in the haunted southwest…I used to live in PA, though…
good luck with all that!
January 8th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Dude, I was TOTALLY in the opening sequence of Antiques Roadshow…
January 21st, 2009 at 1:26 am
I have seen maybe about 4 Ghost Hunters shows, but before that, I have been into the paranormal for a long time also, and yes, it does exist. I just recently got a very clear EVP of my friends’ mother saying “yeah, its me”, she asked the question “Mama is it you?”. I knew this woman many years and beleive me I know how she talked and it WAS her! I am a sensitive or whatever the new word for it is now, and I do feel them when I’m in a room, and I have seen several things also. The ST.Augustine Lighthouse is very haunted and and the Military Hospital also, and the Old City Gates, I have got some awesome pictures of them very late at night, always differnt things every year I go. I seem to be able to get so much more with the camera late at night. If you aren’t interested in this, then don’t watch or read about it, just change the channel or don’t read about it. AS far as TAPS is concerned, I think they did a lot to bring out people that are for real and are truely scared of things that are going on in their house and not thinking they are crazy, not everyone can afford to just leave their house at a moments notice with no place to go. Just by one person knowing about me, I have had three differnt people contact me about being scared of staying in there own house and one is even scared to contact me about it and this has been just in sevearal months. I never realized so much of this is really happening to people. I dont’ charge for anything, I just do my best to help. I’m sure TAPS is like anyone else, its very easy to get caught up in all the fame and money, but I think they are honest and never realized it would be this big. I don’t see any reason to be so crude and hateful acting. Are all of you perfect??? If debunking a TV show is all you have to do in life, you need something to do! Debra
January 21st, 2009 at 2:54 am
I guess you haven’t backread the comments to find out who Katie is but she has almost 20 years worth of paranormal investigation under her belt, has co-authored two books on the subject with a third on the way, is a frequent lecturer on the topic and has been asked to consult for an up coming movie on the subject. She has quite a lot invested in the field and frankly a show that depicts so-called professionals falsifying evidence for rankings does nothing to move the conversation forward. There are enough problems in the field as it is without giving skeptics more ammunition. When a group fakes things, particularly a high profile group that people take seriously it hurts everyone in the field.
So, no, no one here claims to be perfect. We do claim not to lie and falsify evidence on national television, which is much more than can be said for TAPS. You want to defend them that is fine but doing so is a tacit acceptance of deception and chicanery and damages whatever credibility you have.
January 21st, 2009 at 7:48 am
I couldn’t have tooted my horn better, Patrick. Thanks!
True story, Debra.
Now, go back and read the commentary. When you actually know what we are discussing here, I can respond…otherwise, I am pissing in the wind.
January 27th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Know how you can tell if a ghost photo is faked?
It’s got a fucking ghost in it.
January 28th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Wow. Gosh, you really got all of us with THAT comment. Yeah, we must be pretty stupid, huh?
Hey, everybody!!! Cap’n Bitch says that all of our evidence is faked, because everyone KNOWS ghosts don’t exist, DUH…
Glad we got THAT cleared up.
Shouldn’t you be playing World of Warcraft, right now?
January 29th, 2009 at 7:40 am
I look at all the comments left by everyone. I have to say I am either concerned or amazed. All of the Ghost Hunters shows are for entertainment, that’s it. And everyone who claims to be an expert on Ghost Hunting did any of you graduate from college? It is there to make money, nothing, more. I have to say I am very surprised that everyone is so hook on the show. The only reason that the show is doing well is that on Wed night is because before 10 there is nothing on TV. If it was on any other night it would have been gone a long time ago. All of them are making the big bucks now, but when the show is gone they will go back to fixing toilets and to the local Hamburger place. Everyone this a show and to every who claims to be an expert, go back to school earn that PHD that can give you the bragging rights.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Well, which is it? Concern or amazement? My guess is that you didn’t read ANY of the comments, because if you HAD, you would already know that A) Ghost Hunters are full of Sh*t, as the title of the thread indicates, and B) I, personally, DO have a degree AND I have authored numerous books on the topic, as well as other related projects commensurate with my level of expertise in the field.
Frankly, I’m getting pretty tired of having to repeat myself. I am concerned and amazed that, even after having SAID that you read the comments, you lack the comprehension skills to understand the full gestalt of the comments. Tell me, in what area did you receive YOUR degree? How many lectures have YOU given in your alleged field of study? How many publishers have contacted you asking you to write books on the topic? I am guessing NONE.
Now, instead of wasting everyone’s precious time by casting aspersions towards people in a field that is both foreign and uninteresting to you, why don’t you run along and do something constructive with your concern and amazement…
January 29th, 2009 at 8:15 am
It is one thing to hate a show, but entirely another to put down everyone in the field.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:07 am
And I have a degree as well. I further have taken college coursework in parapscyhology and have had close to 20 years experience investigating. I have also written two books on the subject and am working on a third. So, yes, I think I have the right to claim to be an expert. Certainly the people who ask me to speak publicly about the subject seem to think so.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:20 am
It seems that if anyone questions you, you start your attack on them. Most professionals will except that people don’t believe what they see on TV. If you do have all of this so called background you would not go on the attack with anyone who disagrees with you. As a professional you would enjoy a good debate to prove your point. Not call them a loser or what not. I voiced my opinion nothing more. I was not attacking anyone, this is the USA and I have the right question. If you cannot accept that then you should not be on this website. I look at this whole Ghost Hunters thing as a business and they are here to make money nothing more. The evidence that I have seen can be easily proven as a natural or man made. So I will expect a very rude response from you, because being on the internet most people become very brave. I hope that you will respond in a more educated way for an ongoing debate.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:31 am
While it is good that your making a living on this. But I am sorry I would have to see proof to change my mind. If anyone has written a book then let me know the name and I will read them. Then if your book does show that there is un disputed proof then I will ask for your forgiveness. But until then, I question everything that I see and read on “Ghosts”. Please note that I am not taking any personal pot shots at any of you. This is just a healthy debate nothing more and I do apologize if it came across that way.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Well see you didn’t really ask any questions. You attacked the people in the thread asking if they had degrees. Yes, at least two of us do. Don’t try to come off as trying to push the debate further when you are doing nothing more than telling people that the conversation about the show is riduculous and alarming in the first place. I just love when people act all offended and try to take the high road when they have insulted someone and cannot take the response. That is pretty weak.
Further, the point you are making about it just being a show and that they are just doing it for money is pretty much exactly the point of the article in the first place. The arguments about the paranormal were started by people who came in insulting everyone who believes in it and yeah it wasn’t cordial. Why? Because the comments were attacking people.
You are right, the internet DOES make people brave and I doubt very strongly that you would be in this debate in the real world given how quickly you have your feelings hurt when you have said insulting things. You can’t blame the bees when you whack their hive with a stick.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:40 am
I don’t think you and I are coming from a terribly different place. I believe what I can see, hear and feel. I just happen to have had experiences that have convinced me. I am a very hard sell on other people’s stories and I think that there is a lot of bullshit out there.
That being said, I am not really in the market to change anyone’s mind about it one way or another because I don’t think there is anything I can say or do to ever ‘prove’ anything. It is very much a personal experience issue as far as I am concerned. Everyone does their thing differently though so I will leave it to them to do the convincing.
And Not a Fan, I saw your second response up there after I posted my last one, so I just wanted to say I appreciate your clarification and appology for coming off as insulting. I love talking about the paranormal and even a healthy respectful debate, but it a lot of times people on the other side of the conversation come at it in a really insulting and condescending way so it puts us on the defense right off the bat.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Patrick, let me know the titles of the books you have written. I am always traveling and always looking for a good book to read. Then we can debate further
January 29th, 2009 at 10:34 am
“It seems that if anyone questions you, you start your attack on them.”
Please restate your question. Did I attack you? Perhaps it was the part where you threw down the gauntlet and specifically asked if I had a degree, and wondered if I had any room to talk on the subject. I absolutely defended myself, and simply requested the same information from you. There was nothing uneducated about my response.
There is nothing I love more than a healthy debate, and rest assured, it is not the internet that makes me “brave”…I am this way ALL the time, in ANY venue. It just so happens I DO know a lot about the paranormal, and I know enough to tell you that nothing can be proven…if you want to see, hear, and feel things, you have to start looking and stop waiting for someone to show you. As it turns out, the books that Patrick wrote are the same books that I wrote, so he and I are one voice on this topic…any debate you have with him, you have with me.
“As a professional you would enjoy a good debate to prove your point. Not call them a loser or what not. I voiced my opinion nothing more.”
At what point did I call you a loser? Putting words in one’s mouth does not further a healthy debate. There was nothing inaccurate about my response. If you reread, you will see that I simply pointed out that you hadn’t read all the comments where I have – on several occasions – listed my qualifications. Just because you suddenly have a question, it does not mean that the question wasn’t already answered.
I will be happy to debate on this topic, anytime and anywhere, but don’t come into this thread – MY thread – with your self-righteous word-guns blazing, because I will rip them from your hands and use them on you…I also live in the USA, and those same rights extend to me, as well. That being said, I also apologize for coming across as an insufferable bitch.
Now, let’s just start over…
Hello, my name is Katie, I understand you have some questions that you would like to debate on the paranormal. Where would you like to start?
January 29th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
[lol cute arguement............]
anyway, anyway… This is a bit off topic on the debate, but, Katie and Patrick, im not sure what age you started ghost hunting (or training), but what would you suggest a 15 year would start out doing if they were to eventually do ghost hunting? I think hearing from proffesionals could be me at the right spot, especially this early.
January 29th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Jackie, Patrick and I both started out doing formal investigating in our early twenties. Right now, the best thing you can do, if you are serious, is find a group in your area that is willing to take you on as an investigator and learn all that you can. Read any book on the topic. Take any classes that you can…and I don’t mean Ghosthunting 101, I mean psychology classes. Many colleges offer at least one paranormal psychology class. Don’t rely on television to educate you because, and this is something I would agree with Not a Fan on, these shows are intended to be entertainment…although, conspicuously absent is any disclaimer to that effect.
January 29th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
oh yes i agree with you %100 Katie. I’ve come to that conclusion about a few days after first commenting on this argument. I still watch the show of course, but not for the reason of learning off it. (the people are too damn funny).
anyway, its sad to say that there are probably no groups in our area. They’re having a return of one close to our area, but i would have to wait a few years. i guess classes next year should start the trick. (is ranting…….)
January 29th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
and books…anything and everything…Hans Holzer, Loyd Auerbach…just to name a couple of authorities on the subject..
January 29th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
What I wanted to read are the books you wrote. I have to be honest anyone can say they see ghost’s. I swear I saw one in the president’s office these last 8 years claiming to have done a good job. While I am always up for a good debate, like many people I need to see proof or some type of paper with results of research done. So until I read those books you wrote, talking or yelling does no good. I do want to thank everyone for making my train ride to Washington very enjoyable
January 29th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Well, why didn’t you just SAY so?? Send an email to the UMOA website with your email info, and I will send you the info on the books…I don’t post them here because I like the freedom that anonymity brings
Glad we could help make the time pass more quickly, you see, it’s not ALL bad.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Sweet! Thanks a bunch Katie and CAPS for the great pointers. :]
February 4th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Come on you dumb shits! Can’t you blind idiots see the ridiculous and commercial link to Roto-Rooter? Jesus f-n christ why would the camera zoom-in on the RR logo on the door of their van at the end of an episode? Is it so obvious that you brain dead morons don’t get it? This is a written and unfortunately well produced f-n commercial for Roto-f-n-Rooter! Wake up you zombified mush-brains. TAPS is the biggest piece of deceptive and false advertising for a company that flushes turds out of America’s shit pipes. Damn you people are stupid!!!
February 4th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Who the fuck are you aiming that at exactly? Have you read ANY of this at all? Have you read the article? The point of the article and ensuing thread is exactly that TAPS are frauds and schilling for Roto Rooter. But you know, if you are the sort of person who spews profane invectives at people without knowing what the fuck is being discussed in the first place, I think I will take you calling us all stupid with a huge grain of salt. Thanks for your time though, it was sweet of you to weigh in.
February 4th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Wow, David, don’t sugarcoat it, tell us how you really feel… Seriously, you people that have been weighing in recently really need to do a little review on the whole discussion thread…
I mean, what do you expect any of us to say to that? “Wow, I really AM a blind idiot, huh…even though he just angrily regurgitated everything I have said for the last 6 months, I can see where I come across as the asshole…”
How about you switch to decaf and come back when you aren’t so filled with rage…okay?
February 4th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
this site gets better by the day.
February 4th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
I think I read more insults in your post than the point you tried to get across, David. We could have done without trash spewing from the mouth. Can you please repost in a mature way? best of your ability. go on. give it a try n it wont hurt you or anyone.
February 4th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
OK NOT A FAN…does that mean you really ARE a fan????
February 5th, 2009 at 5:49 am
Well let’s just say I am amazed by what I see here. Enough were every time someone posts something it hits my Blackberry. It does help me speed the time up when I am traveling. For what I have seen the GH and GHI will be on for another couple of years. I saw the GHI website, which by the way seems to change people a lot or is it just me. I guess now they have to fake information now to get people to watch. . Both teams on both shows are now just actors nothing more. What you or anyone else posts the mighty dollar will still control the TV. Sci-Fi channel has just gone right down the tube. They need to get better shows. Since when is ECW science fiction? The BBC channel has better shows than them. But they will not listen to the consumer. Yes I am on a train back to Washington.
February 13th, 2009 at 6:29 am
Where is everyone ?
February 13th, 2009 at 7:24 am
***yawn***
Just woke up. In fact, I woke up when my son’s teacher called me at 630 am to talk to me about something that could have easily waited until…oh…a more reasonable hour. So, it’s pitch dark in my room, and the phone rings…THAT is scarier than any ghost…
I need to watch an episode of GH so that I can have something fresh to bitch about in this post…
February 14th, 2009 at 8:04 am
I googled “I hate Ghost Hunters” which led me to this site. I totally agree with katie that this show is a bunch of crap. I think one of the reason the show elicits such a strong response is that it is on so often on the SciFi channel and these guys are so self righteous and pretentious. These idiots are pure fiction and a total waste of airtime. They are Ghost Busters without a sense of humor. I generally like the programing on the SciFi channel but this show sucks so badly that it downgrades my opinion of the channel and its viewers as well. It must be cheap to produce.
February 14th, 2009 at 8:08 am
Has anyone else notice how these two geeks look a lot like the two back wood hicks from Deliverance? Can you squeal like a pig?
February 14th, 2009 at 8:13 am
Hello Wolvie! Welcome!
It’s been a LONG time since I have seen Deliverance, so I will have to take your word for it…although the creepiest one is that friggin’ banjo boy.
I agree that it must be cheap to make the show, and I will have to firmly and wholeheartedly disagree with anyone that tries to tell me that they are just doing this because they really want to find “answers.” That’s probably still true, but the questions have changed…i.e. “How can I afford to add that master bedroom addition onto my home?”
February 26th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Can we just quit bashing these guys — they got popular because-duh- guess what… THEY ARE GREAT!
Why does everyone have to tear down something awesome…
Bugs the bejeebers outta me…
Leave em’ alone—
Melanie
February 26th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Okay, folks! Listen UP!!! Melanie wants us to quite bashing TAPS so let’s reign in it!!!
NOT.
Yeah, we’re still gonna talk about TAPS. Sorry about your bejeebers…everyone can stand to lose a few bejeebers, anyway, don’t you think?
They are entertaining, but still not accurate. Thanks for posting, though…we respect your right to enjoy them, and I appreciate that you said it without any anger…seriously.
February 27th, 2009 at 6:12 am
Sorry when a person or group changes the truth in order to get ratings well they deserve to be bashed. What you’re looking at are people who in short would be working at Burger King of some other low paying job. Sorry but the network has one of the best Marketing teams I have ever seen. Yes the shows will be on for another 2 years that is only because the Sci-Fi channel does not have anything else to show. I am not sure if anyone has noticed but most of the movies are from Russia, Romania, and other 3rd world countries. I started watching more of the BBC and HGTV. Also I will give this blog credit. On the others if you bash the group or say anything bad about any of the members. You’re banded from the site and your comment is taken off. While I may not disagree with some of things stated here, I will say at least you can. So yes go ahead and say what you want, last time I check this was the USA. If you want this to stop, then don’t watch the shows. If no one watches then they will go back to saying “would you like fries with that?” or go back living in Mom’s basement.
February 27th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
I agree with most of the comments-GH started out well, and steadily went downhill. I loved the first shows where they would team up with the local paranormal groups to assist and share evidence. WHY aren’t they still doing that–is it Sci-Fi, or Jason and Grant’s call? It added credibility, knowledge and insight. Kinda the reason I watched the show in the first place.
Katie’s information has been a real eye-opener for me. That the statistics of catching ANY EVIDENCE in a few hours is almost nil. To get as much as they seemed to be getting at each location is, well, unbelievable.
The analyzing of video, etc. just adds to that. Plus the later shows seem so scripted, because the GH crew are NOT gifted actors, it is very obvious, and at times painful to watch them “look” surprised, startled, etc.
Plus they now have purchased a haunted inn. Wonder how long it will be before you can make reservations thru the TAPS site?
Ghost Hosts To Open Inn
Jason Hawes and Grant Wilson, hosts of SCI FI Channel’s Ghost Hunters, told reporters that they are going into the bed-and-breakfast business–but in a well-known haunted inn, natch.
“We have a place that’s near to our hearts that we’re trying to actually purchase,” Hawes told reporters during a press weekend in Estes Park, Colo., over the weekend. (The news conference took place in another haunted locale made famous in a Ghost Hunters episode: The Stanley Hotel, inspiration for Stephen King’s The Shining.)
Hawes and Grant–who founded the Atlantic Paranormal Society, or TAPS–said they are in the process of acquiring the Spalding Inn* in Whitefield, New Hampshire.
“[It] is a haunted inn, and we’re just getting ready to finalize everything on it,” Hawes said, adding, “We’re going to open it back up. It was a very well-known inn; it just needs some work, and we’re going to have to fix it up and open it back up and go from there.”
Will the well-known ghostbusters turn the inn into a theme park?
“No,” they answer in unison.
“It’s already got its own reputation,” Hawes said, adding: “We spend so much time in New Hampshire as it is. We’re always up there camping and staying there with our families. … This opportunity opened up, and I stayed there years and years in the past, the wife and I both had personal experiences. [I] saw a child run down the hall, and, there were no children there, so it was just very interesting what happened that we’re able to acquire it.”
Ghost Hunters returns with 25 new episodes in early 2009. –Patrick Lee, News
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=60790
*70 rooms Gracious Country Inn Resort located on over 200 acres in the scenic White Mountains.
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g46272-d92252-Reviews-Spalding_Inn-Whitefield_New_Hampshire.html
February 27th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
I’ve been a BIG fan of ghost hunters for 3 years now,and a true believer. After watching the Halloween show I know, it’s ONLY A SHOW!!!What a joke! Thanks JASON & GRANT for nothing,from your fan in upstate New York.
March 1st, 2009 at 11:17 am
First I have seen the Inn they bought. It is not haunted; it is just a run down Inn. Has one of the worse reps in the area. There are no ghosts there, just run down. I wonder how much BS they will dish out for people to stop in.
While it is good they are seeking to invest their profit from the show. There is no reason to stretch the true. But that is one heck of a business to be in, sorry I will give them 2 poss 3 years before they end up selling the business. I am sure everyone will want to stop in to see it then realize how bad the service is. They are laughing all the way to the bank. Don’t get me wrong, I would like to see people be successful in their business. But miss leading in not the right way
March 1st, 2009 at 11:41 am
But Jason says the Inn is haunted & has a reputation so it must be! Apparently the BS dishing has already started. With 70 rooms to rent out-they could have one of their seminars there.
Anyone know of ANY ghost stories attached to Spalding Inn?
March 1st, 2009 at 12:20 pm
There is no afterlife you idiots. You die, rot, stink up the place and that is it. Done deal. Did any of you morons take biology in high school? Graduate from high school? Call Roto-Rooter and get your brain plunged you dickweeds! God, I hate stupid people!!!!!!!!
March 1st, 2009 at 12:27 pm
You idiots. Crap, crap crap. This program is shit. You people who are believers are f’n morons. Why are you grasping at crap instead of reality? Dead is f’n dead morons. Go Roto-Rooter. Take bigger shits and shove’em down the toilet with your hand! Get a f’n life you insecure losers
March 1st, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Wow, you really got us there with that well thought out and biting criticism of the believe in survival after death. It is very thought provoking and I am sure will change minds. Obviously you know so much more than everyone else as evidenced by your superior vocabulary and scholarly writing style. And it even raised questions that I just demand an answer to lest my entire world view be shattered like so much stained glass. Because you obviously have an advanced degree in some science or another, tell me, since things just die and rot and change into dust, what happens to the energy that makes us up? If all things are energy and energy cannot be destroyed but only changed, what accounts for the left over energy when we die? You’ve really confused me since you have demonstrated such an advanced knowledge of science and yet make the, I am sure, iron-clad claim that nothing is left when we die.
Also, again, had you bother to read anything at all you will find the vast majority of people here think that the show is a fraud and worthless. It is right up there in the title of the article. And further, since you are aiming your keen wit and intellect at those of us who are stupid enough to believe in something after having direct experience with it as opposed to a troll on the internet spewing feces all over, it should be mentioned that for all of your disbelief, you are no closer to disproving the after life as anyone here is to proving it. Generally, when you deal in absolutes, my interesting friend, you are absolutely an idiot.
March 1st, 2009 at 1:09 pm
If there is a afterlife is a subject for ones religious belief and I don’t expect it to pass scientific scrutiny. What is crap is GH’s claim there is a scientific basic to their incredibly stupid conclusions. I just wish this show was aired on some spiritual or religious channel because it has nothing to do with science.
March 1st, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Guess what it is a show nothing more. They are just 2 guys who got lucky. They needed a show for Wed nights and all the trailer parks and young kids believe everything they say. Is there life after death? That is a question we will all have answered after we cross over. Are there Ghost? No one on TV or on this blog can prove that beyond a shadow of doubt that they are real. Let’s get real, with all the technologies that we have, don’t you think we would have proven that a long time ago. No one can prove there are ghosts. It’s a show for entertainment and everyone here has fallen for the BS that is spewed from their mouths. Sorry but no matter what is stated here know one can prove that ghost are real. The GH and GHI are making millions because we are just too stupid to realize we are being scammed. On GHI the Asian guy states he lived in a 3 story home. It’s all a lie; he lived in a one story Ranch. Never work a hard job in his life. Jason states he saw something; it was a dollar bill sign; the rest they are just here for the fame and fortune. Come on everyone, it’s a show and they are just there for money.
March 1st, 2009 at 2:05 pm
How the hell do you go from “unusual and unexplained” to ghost? You could say aliens or pixies just as well ( which you probably do).
March 1st, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Sorry the show targets kids, blue collar and Ghost Hunter wanabees. Unless you have a scientific answer your just like taps. Sorry but believe it or not everyone overseas and in the US thinks the show is a joke. I have no idea how they got signed on for another 2 years. Everyone who thinks they know ghost should be ashamed to fool people in believing their loved ones are around them. No matter what you say or do. You do not have the education to tell people you’re an expert. I am currently at UMASS to finish my PHD in Human Behavior. What I see is a show going after people who miss their loved ones and hope that the no pipe moving around is Aunty May or Uncle John. A show that does not let anyone voice what they think on the blogs because it may lower ratings. Example- If you wonder if Joe is Gay it’s taken off the blogs. If you wonder if Jason is in it for the money or anything else that makes the show look bad it’s taken off the blogs. You’re all in it for the money, nothing more. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
March 1st, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Holy Shit! I leave for a few hours to sell travel knits to the Red Hat Society and this thing blows up like a hemorrhoid!
Milkman Deadshit, or whatever your name is today, why are you so angry? Just so you know, I can look back and see all the different names you have used to post here…
This thread isn’t really about the debate over the existence of life after death, it’s about TAPS making shit up for ratings. If you honestly believe that we rot in a stinking hole and become worm food, then I am sad for you…you must have nothing to look forward to.
Also, I do have a degree and I would wager that I am WAY smarter than all you little punk bitches who just want to come on here and insult everyone. It’s okay to disagree…it’s even okay to disagree vehemently…but, just recognize that we are anything but stupid.
OK Not a Fan – I think it’s interesting that you, and others that share your viewpoint, insist that because there is no scientific answer to the existence of ghosts, they do not exist. The subject matter must be studied to the best of our (as in the collective ghosthunting community) ability within the confines of our resources. Everything that has a scientific explanation was once merely postulated. The Earth used to be flat, remember? The entire solar system revolved around the Earth, too, do you remember that?
There are even people that believe the Holocaust was a hoax and that we never landed on the moon. You can no more prove that ghosts do NOT exist, than I can prove that they do.
Because you say there are no ghosts, does NOT make it so…as far as being “in it for the money,”…I write books for money, but I study ghosts because that is where my interest lies. There is nothing shameful about anything I do, because I own it and I deny nothing that is true.
You do realize that our areas of study are not that different…I just study human behavior of the deceased. But, you are just studying human behavior for the money
March 4th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Sorry all I see is people looking to make $$$$$, nothing more. This show is showing how stupid America has become. This show targets Blue collar, who think they have the background. They watch a dog fart and think its a ghost coming out of its backside. Go back to school. Learn something that will help America. Dont waist your time on this crap. GH and GHI and have not evan made it as the tope 100 shows people watch. (ref TV guide and ratings). They are not the ones doing the Marketing and I wonder how many times the GH/GHI team memebers are on this blog. They would not know a ghost if it hit them in the head. But the one thing that people forget-”ITS JUST A TV SHOW NOTHING MORE”. They are all actors. Sorry just one of those days and had to vent. But go back to school, get a degree prove me wrong and GH/GHI
March 4th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Also ref your comment – “But, you are just studying human behavior for the money”. Yes I do, but it is a real job, which I can back up with scientific proof. Not someone blowing smoke or pulling a string on a coat collar. Prove me wrong, show undisputed proof, that there are ghosts. Right now all I see and hear is just BS nothing more.
March 4th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Hello faithful blog-posters (aka OK Not a Fan)…I was out reveling in the wonder that is MY BIRTHDAY, so I have been somewhat remiss in my responding duties, but here goes:
Okay, I guess I am a little unclear on something – are you posting as if you assume that I am a fan of Ghost Hunters, because – and I would think the tone and title of the thread would be an indicator – I am most assuredly not.
Furthermore, I wish to address your vehement demand that we all go to school and learn something that will help America…it doesn’t really have the punch that I imagine you were going for as it is filled with misspellings so egregious that it is almost difficult to follow. If you have paid tuition to a university, you got rooked, my friend.
Now, as far as providing you with indisputable scientific proof that ghosts exist – the field is being studied by people with a passion to find proof. Just because it has not been proven YET, doesn’t mean it won’t.
Show me the scientific proof that gravity exists.
Now, I am really not sure why you think that our particular field of interest is so much less worthy than yours, but clearly you are angry about it on a cellular level. In fact, the entire field of “Human Behavior” sounds like nothing more than glorified people-watching. What is the specific tangible contribution that a human behaviorist makes to “America?”
I take my experiences, write them down, and publish them for the enjoyment of others with a similar interest. I make no claims about providing irrefutable proof of the existence of the afterlife. I can pick up books and show them to you as evidence of my contribution to this great nation and if it inspires even ONE PERSON to pick up a book and read, then I have provided an invaluable and immeasurable service.
Now, does this make the grade for the human behaviorist, or am I still a monosyllabic mouth-breathing cretin?
Big Kisses!
March 9th, 2009 at 7:19 am
You just don’t get it. The only reason I am on this site, is because I am amazed on what I see. Also it is more enjoyable than doing zip on the train. I type too fast on my Blackberry and I do deserve the hit on my misspellings. I should have checked before I posted.
What none of you are seeing is that you’re giving the GH, GHI and any other so called Ghost Catchers the attention they need in order to stay on TV. Yes go back to school. Instead of sitting in front of a computer wasting away. Go out start a real business, work for a good company. Invest your money on something that will help you both mentally and financially. Go back to school, get a PHD and prove if Ghosts are real or not. I will give those guys some credit. They were able to get everyone to watch, visit and buy anything they made. I am sure they are making 500K or more a year because of everyone who watches the show. They are laughing all the way to the bank. And after all that they have done, did they offer a cigarette?
March 9th, 2009 at 7:20 am
Also thanks for the feedback, now I am ready to take on the world.
March 9th, 2009 at 7:49 am
Okay, OK…so I think I have this ironed out…you dig the train-ride repartee, and you can’t understand why any of us who bitch about Ghost Hunters continue to generate revenue for them…we are really like two sides of the same coin…this interaction has been akin to trying to scream a conversation back and forth in some touristy, country and western bar while Johnny Hayseed sings old country standards accompanied by his randomly spastic drum machine that gives off isolated rhythmic mine blasts while we try and choke down our greasy onion rings. (I submit to you Big Nose Kate’s in Tombstone, Az…but I also digress)
Well, since we can’t join them – we BEAT THEM (with big, angry sentences that have long, pointy ends)!!!!
Speaking for myself, I am not looking to shut their shit down as much as I would just like them to admit, “Yeah, that looks shady, but this is really what went down and why it looks that way.” Everyone is entitled to the pursuit of their own little empire…they have just chosen this particular avenue of chicanery…they have made themselves easy targets and it is my job to put them on the virtual chopping block…I always default to the fact that they have children, and that is their motivation to continue making a shitload of money.
Now, that whole “real job” thing is overrated. I had a “real job” for a long time that brought me nothing but misery and grief. It was when I finally left said “real job” that the clouds lifted and I felt like I could breathe. If your “real job” brings you nothing but aggravation, it’s time to find a job that isn’t going to kill you from an early heart attack.
I am glad that I motivated you to take on the world. Which part of the world are you invading first?
March 9th, 2009 at 11:45 am
lol, very good. Sorry I am off to the trailer park
March 9th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Katie Says:
“Speaking for myself, I am not looking to shut their shit down as much as I would just like them to admit, “Yeah, that looks shady, but this is really what went down and why it looks that way.”
Thank you.
Jason and Grant, man up, and explain, please.
March 9th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
They would do so much better if they stopped lying on and about the show. I loved GH before the Halloween Specialll because it felt more real. But if there’s really a TAPS out there, the rest of the family probably looks like crap by now. I think I’ll go read a book now….
lol sorry Katie. No ’sharp, point end’ to this sentence.
March 9th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
“lol sorry Katie. No ’sharp, point end’ to this sentence.”
Dang it!
March 9th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Haha but i think you made enough to start your own army. :]
March 9th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Jason and Grant are obviously gay. And Brian is a eunach. I shit myself when Jason farted and Grant gasped “What was that? Did you hear that?” “No but I did get a 3.5 reading just now on the Roto-Rooter Fart-O-Meter”, exclaimed Jason. Grant gasped for air and dropped to his bony knees. “I can’t go on, leave me to be scared on my own.” Jason responded in a stern voice “I won’t leave you like this. Your mouth is at the perfect height for a Ghost Hummer!” Gagging from Jason’s fart, Grant took Jason’s three inch stubbie into his petite mouth. A door slammed about 20 feet away and Jason shit on his boots. That was all it took for Grant to commence into projectile vomiting his IHOP #3 all over Jason’s beer gut. To be continued…This will be better than the actual show, I promise. Stay tuned…
March 9th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
What exactly does the IHOP #3 have in it? Is there bacon? Electromagnetic negativity? I knew Jason had a stubber! That’s why he’s the boss. This dialogue seems to be going places. Places that the GH has never been. I am excited about the next episode. Does Grant swallow Jason’s stub slime? Please continue!!!
March 9th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Hey…. has anyone noticed that all the Taps episodes for the last three months …[now going into the new year]…are old re runs…
Every week they say stay tuned for… [all new episodes].. of ghost hunters… and they are just re runs!
I wonder if this means they are not making any new episodes??.. maybe meaning that they are going under?”
Any opinions?….
March 9th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Samuel, David, or whatever name youre going by this week, that was uncalled for and the least bit funny. Not to mention COMPLETELY irrelevant to the conversation. They suck at ‘ghost hunting’ but they’re still people. If you want to write porno, go to a different site or keep it for your school homies because no one here wants to read about……?….. That…?…
March 9th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
George.. Says:
“March 9th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Hey…. has anyone noticed that all the Taps episodes for the last three months …[now going into the new year]…are old re runs…
Every week they say stay tuned for… [all new episodes].. of ghost hunters… and they are just re runs!
I wonder if this means they are not making any new episodes??.. maybe meaning that they are going under?”
Any opinions?….”
TAPS website: GH Season 5 Starts March 11th
“The historic Betsy Ross House on Arch Street is so full of paranormal activity that SciFi is featuring the footage captured in December on the fifth season premiere of “Ghost Hunters.”
The Atlantic Paranormal Team, led by Jason Hawes and Grant Wilson spent an entire night in Betsy’s house and later revealed a few of the results to the House staff.
“I’ve certainly heard my share over the years and had a few unusual experiences of my own. However, I have to admit to being absolutely shocked by the results of the TAPS investigation,” said House director Lisa Acker Moulder.
The season premiere will air on Wednesday, March 11 at 9 p.m. on SciFi.”
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/around_town/the_scene/Ghost-Hunters-invade-Besty-Ross-House.html
March 9th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
George, IMO I think they will be around longer. . .they have spawned quite a large business: gear,seminars,books & magazines. Will be interesting how the economy affects their bottom-line.
Cape Ann Paranormal, do you know of any upcoming shows that are cases that other TAPS family members have referred to Jason and Grant? Those, to me, were some of the more interesting ones.
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:45 am
wow,,,it’s taken me a while to read all these comments, but as someone with a high school diploma, some college, working on a photography degree who manages a studio and has fifty years of living and life experiences under her belt and is founder of her own little group, I knew it was wisest to make sure I ‘edumacated’ myself on the comments so I could jump in and not look like an ass as several others have done.
With THAT being said…
I have thoroughly enjoyed this ongoing discussion, though a few of the posters could do with some social interaction training. Alas, too much Jerry Springer can corrupt even the most angelic of human beings.
It is a high probability that fakery took place. Yes, I know, stating that publicly causes fear to shriek through the minds and hearts of true believers, as they look to the skies expecting the end of the world as a result. But never fear,,,it is, after all, A TV SHOW, and ALL TV shows have one main goal, to entertain people while they sell you stuff, i.e. MAKE MONEY.
Do I hate TAPS? Hell, no, I like ‘em, and still enjoy the SHOW. It’s fun, and I love seeing Steve get as freaked out about spiders as I do. But I take everything with a semi truckload of salt as regarding evidence, knowing that money is the driving force. And unlike others, I am not bothered by the drive to make money, I LIKE money, wish like hell I had more of it, and kudo’s to them for getting what they can of it.
I DO feel saddened that they have added another layer of BS to a field of study that already has more than it’s fair share of BS, as they pretend to be legit while they are obviously not. But it won’t crash and burn legitimate efforts to obtain evidence and research paranormal events, and I know that, in time, this, too, shall pass, and some other show will come along to take their place.
On the down side of the show, I think what has annoyed me the most is what seems to me to be a fad attitude about some of the supposed hard core ‘rules’ that TAPS has put out there for conducting investigations. Kinda silly to me for a couple of plumbers to come along and say you have to do this or that in exactly their way or it doesn’t count. say what? lol!
Example…this fad deal about lights out. I could just about scream at that part on every show. My common sense just will not bow down and follow the crowd on this. Why in the name of everything that exists would you deliberately set up your investigation so you can’t even see what the hell you are looking for?
Ghosts are seen during the day, in the morning, in the afternoon, at night with the house lights on while the family is cooking supper, NOT just after people go to bed. Therefore, would it not make more sense to keep things as normal as possible and try to actually recreate the setting of the original sighting?
For dramatic effect, that’s fine, but passing it off as a standard required method for ghost hunting…puhleese.
Another issue…trying to hear what they hear but you can’t because of the dang muzak and sound effects….still another, is the camera always being on the investigators and not what they are supposedly trying to see IN THE DARK ( I wondered for a time if they had had some sort of super lasix surgery to enable them to see in the dark)….yet another, when something supposedly happens and right after that they stop investigating the area and move on or just say time to wrap, when anyone with a brain doing this would work that area til the sun came up….ahhh the list goes on, doesn’t it?
So, yeah, I can ‘enjoy’ the show AS a show, but could never see it as a legitimate airing of legitimate ghost hunting. Which is why it surprised me when there was such a huge uproar over several ’suspicious’ things like the jacket tug, as I didn’t realize how many people had viewed them as being totally legit. Wow. Eye opener, to say the least.
Katie, I will say I have totally enjoyed this thread, and the ongoing discussion, and I plan on checking out more of what you have here. It’s three thirty in the morning here, I should have been in bed hours ago as I have to work, but what can I say, this thread hooked me! lol!
I’ll probably bump by here tomorrow evening sometime to read more. Til then, hope you have a great day, and thanks for opening a fun and interesting dialogue on this.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:13 am
Clearly, MamaT rocks.
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Cape Ann, I admire your determination at trying to help them keep their slate clean of any possible besmirching of their integrity.
You have stated several times that they (and I am paraphrasing here) have done nothing but shit all over your group and ignore that you even exist alongside them in close proximity. I suppose if you ever hope for any sort of professional alignment, you must keep telling yourself that they are completely on the up-and-up…
Fortunately, I have the benefit of distance plus disinterest, so I am going to keep challenging the assertion that they are telling the truth, because I don’t believe they are. They started out with a sufficient amount of portrayed integrity, but there is just NO WAY they can keep collecting these unbelievable EVPS and FLIR captures. A rudimentary google inquiry will pull up dozens of debunkings for most of what they claim to be true. They also have assumed the position of “end all, be all” in paranormal investigation, a standard by which all other groups are expected to measure themselves. They have absolutely no formal training or education in the subject matter, and they won’t even share with their fans these nebulous “childhood experiences” they claim to have had. What they DO have is a fantastic marketing team that gets paid a goodly sum to spread that propaganda. They are celebrities, not investigators – good, bad, or indifferent.
I hope that they do recognize your efforts and thank you accordingly, but – as with most “what’s in it for me?” situations – the likelihood is slim.
They are more than welcome to post on this board at any time.
March 23rd, 2009 at 4:54 pm
The TAPS crew sold out big time. Period, end of story.
March 23rd, 2009 at 8:41 pm
Cape Ann, I appreciate your comments.
“… that they would lie and destroy their own original reputation with so many who seem to look up to them.”
That is why I hung in for sooo long, believing that they would not stoop to “enhancing” their evidence. After all, they were billed as debunkers, and the first season did quite a bit of that, while also showing some interesting evidence. I believe I can say and would surprise no one, that I have an interest in the paranormal, but obviously not an investigator or serious student of it.
“As Jason and Grant have said many times, and I agree, if a piece of evidence has the slightest chance of being chewed to shreds then don’t bother going public with it. They have the show, public appearances, product sales, group tours that fans pay very well to attend, they even have a public relations team keeping them on the go.”
They do have a lot of fans, no question there. However, if a TAPS forum member questions evidence, i.e. the jacket tug, without being rude, asks some tough questions, then why are they banned? That I have a big problem with. They have also purchased an inn, which “has a history” of paranormal activity attached to it. Jason has had an experience. Okay, fine. However, there are no prior stories of hauntings, etc. attached to it. So that makes me wonder.
I just used to be one of the fans, that is now disappointed. I would like nothing better for them to do a special on some of the questionable evidence. I would think that there are times when something is found and thought to be credible at the time, and under later scrutiny dismissed. I still enjoy the show.
March 24th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
If you remember they ..[Taps]…were finding amazingly great evidence for a while that was just… [too good]… for most real ghost hunting groups to believe….
And Just because.. [now]..we don’t see unbelievable ghost evidence every week ..
This doesn’t mean they are being honest…
It just means that they are smart and realize that they went too far in the
[paranormal evidence ]department…
Jason and Grant not stupid!…
I sometimes wonder why Brian and other Taps members quit over time…
Could it be… that they are tired of taking advantage of people and being dishonest?
Check .. [TAPS].. web site and see the list of appearances on their schedule…and the high prices they charge for a ticket just to see them in person…
They are.. [still]..very busy traveling around the country making appearances and lots of [CASH]!
This traveling around the country.. [making personal apearences].. has been going on for over a couple years now…
Do you think they want to go back to being plumbers?
Even though they have been caught…[ faking evidence]… in videos.. there are still enough suckers left in the country to keep them going for awhile to inflate their bloated bank acounts even more!…
They have fallen into clover and they will be set for the rest of their lives..
If I were in their places with family’s to support…. I might do the same thing they did…
[and I might not]?
They are depending on a largely young inexperienced crowd to buy in to their tricks of the camera…
They are just entertainers now …[calling themselves paranormal experts] HA.!!
I prefer the show… [scariest places on earth]… to [Taps fakers]….
March 26th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Hey!
C’mon everyone, we all now Kris Williams is cute ant that is the only reason to watch the show!
Reallllll little hottie is that one…woof woof !!
March 27th, 2009 at 11:53 am
I was bored one night and found this on the scifake.com website. http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=312345877&blogId=477645628
I wonder how much Jason and Grant made from this.
I broke down and watched the show on wed, and then went straight to the hospital to have my head checked. I have to say, while I hate to see people lose houses, job and money. Watching both GHI and GH is complete waist of time. I believe that GHI and GH should just be taken off the air. Let’s face it they have no real evidence. Please note that while I do not agree with the show, I am not attacking Jason, Grant or anyone else on the Taps team personally. Sorry but this is just getting old. We all know they are in it for the money nothing more. . Now they want to run a B/B and the only good thing that might happen is the plumbing will work. I would have put my money into something else. But just my 2 cents.
And to all the people who hate when some one does not agree with Taps. Get over it! There are a growing number of people who are getting tired of all this BS. In about 3 years they will be off the radar and we will set up a different website to bash another TV show.
March 27th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Also some of you are starting to be called PARA-MAFIA, because if anyone calls Taps fake. They are trashed all over the internet.
March 28th, 2009 at 8:47 am
TAPS has replaced the Bible. God is fake. Grant’s love for Jason is real. Since the episode where Grant slips Jason a reach-around and neck kiss, I have been enthralled by this homo-para-sexual plumbers saga gone wild. Did you hear that? Grant, did you fart again or was that an orb that didn’t see where it was going? Jason pulls his poo streaked panties down to his knees and Grant backs up to him while making plumbing noises. With entry initiated Grant proceeds to make plumbing noises and shoots his para-load deep into Jason’s plunger-like colon. I love this show and I wack my pipe wrench with vigor upon viewing it. Booo! Scared ya didn’t I? I will be posting a web site with ghost porn soon. Keep checking http://www.ghostlyblowjobs.com!!!!!
March 28th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Hey butt pirates! Quit chasing me around!!! I am Casper the Friendly Ghost! Damnit, Why do you think all dead shmucks are evil? We are just dead. Fuck you and your EMF gizmos. The next time you fags poke one of those D-powered buttplugs in my face I am going to ram it up your shitter. Got it? You’ll need a real plumber to extract it. I am not only an expert, I have bad credit and jock itch. Jason and Grant, suck my ghostly air balls!!! Steve and Tango go back to your jobs at Best Buy and continue sucking each other off in the stock room. Casper TFG
March 29th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Everyone, just ignore them.
March 29th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Now sure, I know I should let what Dave/tango/whatever he is going to call himself go and not say anything as it will have no impact on his buffoonery at all but I can’t help myself. Dave/tango/whomever, I know you feel like your stings of profanity and homophobia is having a major impact on people here and that you are really showing ‘idiots’ how wrong they are and how superior you are to them but when you do that and the rest of us roll our eyes at your immaturity you are speaking for the whole of your particular movement. If you have a legitimate argument beyond baseline obscenity and vitriol then certainly the way to express it is not the sort of nonsense you are spewing and it weakens others who are perhaps thoughtful at all and might have genuine questions. If you are pursuing a cause, you are doing damage to that cause. I am certain that the people you deride are only going to have their opinions and feelings confirmed that the skeptic is nothing more than an egotistical pseudo-intellectual who wants nothing more than to feel superior to anyone who believes anything outside their own narrow prism. All you are adding to that is the notion that they are so impotent at forming real arguments that they resort to 7th grade style attacks. So good for you. You’ve really burned all of us morons. I know my mind is totally changed on the paranormal due to your obvious intellectual superiority evidenced in the use of such burning logical arguments all while incorporating words like ‘cunt’ and ‘faggot.’ Bravo to you, sir, for you really got all of us there.
Now I am sure you will just come back at me suggesting that I would like to drink some other man’s urine or whatever puerile fantasy keeps you warm at night when you avoid thinking that maybe your assertion that you are alone because women are afraid of your staggering intellect is correct and not just a justification to avoid the realization that maybe women are just not for you and honestly the predictability of such a retort robs it completely of any and all potency. That the vitriol is completely misguided given that the original article holds that TAPS is indeed full of shit just makes you that much more pathetic and betrays your mental deficiency much more perfectly than your childish posts could ever do on their own. You are a one trick pony who’s trick never impressed in the first place. I would suggest that you take your trolling elsewhere but I am sure you will just come in with another alias spitting out all the profanity you can keep in that sad little two-speed weed whacker motor you call a brain and then chuckle about how funny you are. It is too bad that you have no friends to share your brilliance with.
I know I have used a lot of big words here and the likelihood of your understanding them is very low but one can always hope.
March 29th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Hi all…I dont believe [filthy talk] should be alowed on this site…
These dirty imature posts from Tango or whatever his …
[real name is?} should be delieted from the site…
I ASK WHOEVER IS IN CONTROL OF THIS SITE TO DELIET ALL PRESENT AND FUTURE POSTS THAT ARE IN BAD LANGUAGE AND TASTE COMMING FROM THIS …10 year old mental RETARD!
BECAUSE … To leave this garbage online will just fuel his sick mind….
ALSO I
March 29th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Also No one should respond to this IDIOT in any way…
March 29th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
I agree that no one should respond to him in any way as well. How he manages to use one post as a form letter to plug in new obscenity but still manages to misspell every third or fourth word is beyond me. It is always funny, I think, when someone tries desperately to use an increased vocabulary but fails altogether to do so an intelligent way. When that person then actually thinks they have won is just that much more precious.
March 30th, 2009 at 5:58 am
Guys, Tango’s comments were erased and his IP is banned now — I’m really sorry you had to sit around and read that garbage.
I’ve come to the conclusion that the internet is 98% great people, the 2% that suck, are so loud, obnoxious and vile that it makes then seem like a much bigger majority than they are.
Unfortunately I think John Gabriel’s theory of Internet Fuckwadery holds completely true for some folks:
March 30th, 2009 at 6:54 am
Oh, thank you great and mighty smiter!
March 30th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Thank you
March 30th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
No kidding, they were really getting on my nerves. At least we can ALL agree that those guys are douchebags.
March 30th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Oh, thank you! It couldnt get any more disturbing, or degrading to Katie and Patrick. If I wanted to read that, I wouldve gone to a porn site…
March 30th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
lol! no doubt, Katie! I haven’t been posting but I have been reading, and my gag meter did go up quite a few notches at the level of complete idiocy and filth that suddenly flooded from the posters that you finally had to delete.
It was probably some of the die hard rabid fans from the TAPS forums, they are a truly vicious bunch and tolerate no criticism of anyone in TAPS or any critique of any TAPS evidence or procedures. I don’t think they realize that their own frothing, hate filled, vitriolic spewages turn more people off than ANY thing the members of TAPS say or do, and in the end, that viciousness may do more to harm the life of the show than any real or possible fraud in the show, as they continue to run off a growing number of fans or interested passersby.
No, I don’t hate Jason, Grant, Steve, Tango, or any of the TAPS team. Hell, I don’t even KNOW them to hate them, they are just folks on TV that I enjoy watching! Silly me, I thought you had to actually KNOW someone to hate them…the exception being, of course, politicians, you HAVE to hate and distrust all of them out of self preservation, right? hehehe!!
And if I have been put on some idiotic para-mafia hit list just because I exercised my dwindling rights to freedom of speech, ah well, it hasn’t killed me yet.
My group will never be part of the TAPS family, anyway, because we have, gasp!, a blog, and that is against their policy. Think I am kidding? Read up on the do’s and don’t’s they list for applying, one of the don’t’s is NO BLOG, (at least it was when I last checked a year or so ago) which is totally idiotic…what the hell is wrong with having a blog, something that saves time so you have MORE time to ghost hunt rather than battle website coding, and which has nothing to do with actual ghost hunting itself? Who the hell came up with that rule? LOL!
My bottom line…I will enjoy watching TAPS as long as they are on TV, as the show that it is. When their air time is over, and there WILL come a day when the series will end, my life will go on, our ghost hunting here will go on, and the world itself will go on. Amazing, huh. No need to waste energy on hatred, just an adult recognition of the realities of life, tv, and passing fame.
March 30th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Welcome back, MamaT!
Do you suppose we were under attack from the para-mafia??? Oh my GOODNESS, whatever will I do???
Moving forward, if anyone reading this thread feels compelled to spew hate, then you shall be banned from posting and you can run back to Jason and Grant and cry…tell them I said hello, and that they can give my butt a kiss, while you are at it.
I did read the “requirements” for belonging to the TAPS family…I had a hard time finishing the list because I was rolling my eyes back so much. Basically, you have to have a nice website. That is the long and short of it. I have exactly ZERO desire to belong to the TAPS mafia, so it is of no consequence.
TAPS will not own my group, bottom line. I didn’t see anything on the list that says you have to tell the truth…just that you can’t have a criminal record.
Let me reiterate, just because they have declared themselves the leaders of the paranormal world does not make it so.
March 30th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
The theory that this trash could be from one of Taps fans is posable..
But theory 2 is it could even be from a Taps member or x member…
Its understandable how this kind of [dirty talk] could sucessfully stop a Blog like this one if left to continue…
And Taps would love to stop any talk about their posable trickery in front of the camera…
And the posts above from [Casper] and [David] sound just like Tango to me….
All three names could be the same person…
Im all for someone who wants to[protect their real name on the Internet..
Thats their right..but dirty talk should not be tolerated….
March 30th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
The very idea that a member of TAPS feels so threatened by this tiny little thread, that they feel compelled to call me a c**t and wish me dead is almost intoxicating.
But, I will have to give the benefit of the doubt that they are not responsible for this hateful emesis, but rather just some @$$hole fanboys.
March 31st, 2009 at 1:00 pm
LOL, this is what brings me back all the time.
March 31st, 2009 at 1:03 pm
You love us…you KNOW you do!
March 31st, 2009 at 1:09 pm
While I know that some of you may not disagree with what I post. I will tell you this; I will respect you as a person and not do a personal attack. That is a line that I will not cross. But it does not mean I will agree with what you will post and will offer my .15 cents (sorry I am helping to pay for that new plane for AIG) anytime.
Also I am afraid of the fact they are our future and boy are we in trouble.
March 31st, 2009 at 1:10 pm
LOL,
March 31st, 2009 at 1:39 pm
You are afraid TAPS are our future or AIG is our future? Either way, we are screwed!
April 1st, 2009 at 5:12 am
If Jason or Grant were smart they would get out while they are on top. Like all TV shows, after awhile its starts to get very boring. I don’t know where they think they have the top rated show. When you check the TV guide and other sites that track what shows are watched. They are not in the top 50. Sci-Fi is hurting for new shows and is trying to milk this for every penny. Did anyone check out their site for the B/B they now own? That place is not worth the price they are asking. I was there before they took over and it was a dump. You can go to the other areas like Loon Mt, which provide better rooms, food etc.
Also this is not a good time to start a business when people have no jobs or money. But from what I have seen people sometimes do not use their heads. For some reason I would see the GH/GHI fan base spending $$$$ on these guys instead of paying the bills or giving kids food. Also the future I was pointing out that the Kids that trashed this site, are our future leaders. Wow! Now I am afraid
April 1st, 2009 at 9:28 am
I have not seen the site for their Bed and Breakfast, but I am going to have to have a look. I watched an episode last night that I had tivoed and it may have been the most sensationalized episode yet. They were using their “patented” Geophone, which picks up even the most subtle vibrations – you could literally tap the floor with one finger and set this thing off – and that is proof positive that the noises they were hearing were footsteps. I also hate the scenes when they are on their way home and they congratulate themselves on “really educating folks.”
Um, no.
And, as far as those little foul-mouthed punks being our future leaders, if by leaders you mean, “would you like fries with that?” you are probably right.
April 1st, 2009 at 1:29 pm
“really educating folks.” , I guess they did that to the local trailer park crowd
April 2nd, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Sorry but the light can be changed to blink. We do it all the time when we go out in boats. Those can be used to get passing boats. You change the parts inside, very easy to do. Sorry fake again, I know you want everything to be real but its all fake. its just a tv show pulling your leg.
April 2nd, 2009 at 5:18 pm
If your wondering how I know that. I spent 12 years in the US Navy, its a cheap trip we used on the new guys when they came on the ship.
Sorry but they did it again.
April 2nd, 2009 at 6:09 pm
This is absolutely not a personal attack and I respect your opinion, however, I really don’t understand why you think that they are so honest. There is a litany of examples that suggest that they are anything but and I don’t see why you think that they have no reason to lie. Ratings pressure from a network is a great reason to lie. Their show being threatened is a great reason to lie. Apparently there is no real danger to their lying either as their fans seemingly could see one of them fashion a ghost out of a coat hanger and a sheet and still say that they are legitimate. People like TAPS do so much harm to those not interested and not involved in fakery by making it look as if there is no merit of any kind to investigation. This thread is a perfect example of how their sloppy methods at best and outright lies at worst have lead to people thinking all of it is nonsense. Everyone has the right to their opinion but I can’t honestly fathom how you can not even allow for the possibility of dishonesty when there is a preponderance of evidence pointing in that direction.
April 2nd, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Everyone is absolutely entitled to their opinions (except for those foul-mouthed little bastards that invaded my post, but I digress), but I have to agree with OK NAF and Patrick…consider this – perhaps their reactions are genuine because someone ELSE rigged the flashlight to flash on…they are beginning to introduce new devices of their own creation into their paranormal investigating and they ALSO – by their own admission – enjoy pranking each other…ergo, they have the technological know-how to rig said flashlight, as well as the deviousness (sp?) to undertake the prank…
I’m just sayin’ is all…
I continue to admire the tenacity with which you defend their motivation, but using your own honesty as the standard by which you measure others can lead to grave disappointment…if I have learned nothing else from my years of watching paranormal TV shows it is this…TRUST NO ONE.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:54 am
Look it is great that you stand behind them on everything they do. But everyone is right. This is a TV show and sorry if they didn’t then someone on the show did. And they did know that the light was rigged. Come on, you seem like you have a head on your shoulders. Try opening up your eyes, you have to cut the cord to realize that they are just BS’ing (spelled right?) you. They are taking simple Halloween tricks and telling people it’s a ghost. That is like saying that AIG does care about its clients ……sorry I almost tossed my cookies.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:59 am
And yes for $$$$$, people will do anything. If this show was not around I bet all of them would have lost their homes and jobs. Right now if I was any of them I would be real worried on what I will do after the show ends. For once you’re labeled a con man, its hard to find a good job.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Yes I have seen the world and have lost friends in the war. So yes I do look at things a little more clearly than most. I have had a friend die in my arms and I do wonder if they are around watching me. But to have two plumbers from RI tell me they can see ghost’s ….nope. Sorry they just don’t cut the mustard
But this show is an insult to everyone who is really trying to prove there are ghosts. GH and GHI are nothing more than actors and people who help dying places bring in more business. I know some people think that if you disagree with GH or GHI is because they are making money. Nope, I am glad they have jobs and congrads on how well they have done. I don’t agree on how they did it. Misleading people or just plain lying is wrong. People like yourself who from what I have seen, have the passion to prove to the world that there are ghosts. You are the one who will be hurt. Everyone will think your just there for the money and could care less if it’s true or not.
See now I have to stay late to make up the time on the net
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:24 pm
And I did not proof read my post before I put it on the site. I canfgh semmhdjh to fuigurre out how toojj spell .
And yes I was joking, I don’t normally type or spell like that
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:31 pm
What they should have done is taken the flashlight apart and to show that it was not rigged. Did they do that? If not well………..more BS.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:36 pm
OK NAF got in TROUBLE…now he has to stay late and bang erasers together.
I watched the episode from last Wednesday, and I can better position myself to say, “Yeah, I think they rigged the flashlight.” I had seen a show where the flashlight supposedly turned itself on once before, so I thought that’s what we were talking about. The Ghost Hunters seem to think that they are above reproach. It would have lent validity if they had taken the time to show that it was just a normal flashlight, but they even SAID they had it halfway between the on and off position, so any tiny movement would make the light flicker.
When they presented the evidence, they used that piece and Grant said, “I had been talking to him previously” to explain why he asked, “Are you still with us?” If that is the case, that suggests that the attempts prior to that question being asked to get the ghost to turn the light on were unsuccessful, which means that this stand-alone flashlight phenomena is meaningless…there was not a continuation of interaction…does that make sense?
Furthermore, they presented audio of supposed footsteps and explained that “no one had hard soled shoes on.” Okay, show me the video. Audio of footsteps CANNOT be verifiable as we did not have a shoe inventory taken, and everyone kept their shoes ON during the investigation…again, I am underwhelmed.
It seems like they are leaning towards “footsteps” as their new favorite “go to” experience because they are trying to get people to buy into their new Geophone which flashes at the slightest bit of pressure. I think it is really important to acknowledge that they are really creating a mixed and contradictory set of protocols and procedures that are not valid.
For example: If I am trying to replicate an experience, I want to know as little as possible going into a situation so that my unbiased experiences can be measured against experiences of other investigators and against previous reports. Now, on the flip side, if I want to approach it from a debunking standpoint, getting full disclosure beforehand is helpful to allow for investigating other possible causes, and if I can’t replicate it by natural means, I will say, “I am unable to replicate that phenomena.”
What the Ghost Hunters do, and very badly, is learn all they can about the activity in a place, and then go in and claim they have had the same experiences…we never see anything that they see or hear anything that they hear…we just watch those two dippy girls saying, “Did you hear that?” and “Did you see that?”
It’s really obnoxious.
April 4th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Cape Ann,Katie,Mama T and Patrick, I wish Sci-Fi would give you a show.
The sad thing is, they cannot be trusted. So if they got something really GOOD it would be hard to believe.
Thanks for deleting the idiotic posters. . .isn’t there a saying that people who always use flithy language are just ignorant and have a limited vocabulary?
April 4th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
“Cape Ann,Katie,Mama T and Patrick, I wish Sci-Fi would give you a show.
The sad thing is, they cannot be trusted. So if they got something really GOOD it would be hard to believe.”
Just wanted to clarify: “they” is referring to Ghost Hunters.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
I would love my own show
April 6th, 2009 at 5:54 am
Again it’s a TV show nothing more. Now they are doing side show tricks to wow the audience. What is bad is that people still believe that they would never BS people. I know it must be a crushing feeling to know that people who you put high on the trust pole. Well, treated you like nothing more than what the dog leaves on the ground and you just stepped in it. They are making up everything for ratings. This is happening not only on GH, but GHI and soon that new college GH. Which I bet my next pay check is where those soon to be our future leaders come from (the piece of %$#*@, that had posted the junk earlier). On GHI, I noticed that they now have all new people. Some from the first GH and some new ones. Again them must think the America people are just plain dumb. I was surfing the new one night and found some sites in the UK on the GH/GHI TV shows. They cannot believe the American people watch the shows.
And guess what!
They are making millions on the DVD, Shirts, shows, everything and laughing all the way to the bank. Also if you ever want to find out about a person on the team –Google them. If you take just the persons name and google it, you will be amazed on what you find. I ran one of the names and found one of them almost lost their home. Or one that has been investigated by the police. This will give you an idea of the real person most have come to worship. Maybe someone should send Dateline to check them out. Have Chris Hanson (spelled right) do a show on them.
April 8th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Katie, I think watching a show of you and yours would be a lotta fun,,,you can always go to ustream and set up to stream an investigation…it’s free. CapeAnn could do the same. It would be great to have more options like that to choose from, rather than be stuck with only corporate sponsored versions of investigations.
It would also help people understand a bit better that the overwhelming majority of investigating consists of waiting for something to happen, and most of the time nothing happens, for hours on end, maybe not at all.
Go for it, come on, you KNOW you want to! lolol!
April 9th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Hmmmm….MAYBE I WILL!!!
April 9th, 2009 at 9:49 am
In all seriousness… a video camera + some basic Mac video editing skills + YouTube HD == your own TV show.
I’d also point out that to make it interest you’ll have to have a love interest and lots of drama and strife… I’d suggest for one of the episodes you tell Patrick you’re pregnant mid-investigation and in another episode he confesses to you some horrible made-up secret.
It could be like Melrose meets Ghost Hunters…
April 9th, 2009 at 9:56 am
OR we could just start posting the episodes HERE…
and regarding that whole “pregnant” business…Okay, EW. No thank you…I would rather have one of those creepy terminator spiders.
I would prefer having a “West Side Story” style face-off against a rival paranormal group…
*snaps fingers and backs away in a squatty, low-to-the-ground stride*
April 9th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Uh…so Katie…as it turns out I’M pregnant. We aren’t sure how it happened and I am sort of embarrassed…this isn’t going to make things awkward is it?
April 9th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Well, if you would behave yourself…honestly.
If it’s a girl, name it Renesme…Charlyle if it’s a boy.
April 9th, 2009 at 10:07 am
Damn I was going to use that joke in my upcoming uber rant. Oh well I still am. And you can’t stop me the way you are always holding me back! *runs away crying to chaotic sounding guitars with distortion while the camera zooms in on you looking really confused and indignant*
April 9th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Okay, if that was a reference to anything in Breaking Dawn…I am ONLY 3/4 of the way through Eclipse…it’s like reading a manual about manuals…seriously…I spent all day yesterday reading it, and I am STILL not done.
It’s like drinking barium contrast…you just never seem to be done…blech.
April 9th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Honestly, I would watch. . .only if you promise to cut the hours of nothing happening.
Suggested guest stars? Chip Coffey, I would love to see Katie rip into him, even though he has never appeared on GH.
April 9th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
I LOVE CHIP COFFEY…I could never bag on him…the show edits him to look like a reactionary queen, but in person, he is a friggin’ riot.
the first videos we make will be short and sweet…
April 9th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
OMG! ROFLMAO! what the HELL did I start? pregnant? westside story? barium? lolol! lawd, it will be called Ghost Hunters Gone WILD!
And I, too, LOVE Chip Coffey! He’s a blast! I love AGH, with Chad Calek, and he is sometimes guesting on PRS, of which I think Ryan Buell needs a chill pill on the demon thing sometimes, but again, it is a SHOW, a PARANORMAL show, and I enjoy it regardless, lol!
See, I would thoroughly enjoy meeting any of them, but not in an obssessed, wet your pants, fangirl way. I’d just enjoy meeting them as I enjoy meeting anyone. Sometimes people piss me off, but a PERSON is usually a lot of fun to get to know. We are weird creatures, we People’s is, in a big group we tend to not be so great, but one on one we can be incredible fun. What the hell is up with that I don’t know, but oh well, it is what it is.
ANYwho, my group will be streaming Saturday night on Ustream, we may have one or two viewers, hehehe, but who the hell cares? We’ll have a lot of fun, even if I will be freezing my arse off, and dragging arse from working all day Saturday and having to work all day Sunday, too. A gal’s gotta do what a gal’s gotta do.
Love this thread, you guys are a lot of fun, thanks for the laughs! still cracking up, hehehe! Oh, and I do believe you can stream free from Ustream and set it up on a page here, even set up your own chat for people watching you do your thing.
April 9th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
MamaT, you HAVE to link us…I wanna watch you guys ghost hunt!!!
Oh, be forewarned everyone, I saw a Haunting in Connecticut…and I am about to let the FIRE fly from my fingertips…
April 10th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Katie: “I LOVE CHIP COFFEY…I could never bag on him…the show edits him to look like a reactionary queen, but in person, he is a friggin’ riot.”
Mama T: “And I, too, LOVE Chip Coffey! He’s a blast! I love AGH, with Chad Calek, and he is sometimes guesting on PRS, of which I think Ryan Buell needs a chill pill on the demon thing sometimes, but again, it is a SHOW, a PARANORMAL show, and I enjoy it regardless, lol!”
I enjoy watching him. . .but do not believe he was not given most of the information by normal means. I always get a kick out of him asking “Ryan have you told me anything?” Ryan, “No”. Well, Ryan might not have, but somebody did and I don’t think it was his spirit guide.
Then what about Ryan Buell as a guest star? Would love for someone to ask him when he got his psychology degree. Has anyone seen the I Am Six episode and the sequel? IMO, the family needs psych help not exorcism.
Deep breath, they are just SHOWS, PARANORMAL SHOWS. . .
Oh, get Frank the sound guy. . .entities don’t like him. Brian Harnois and Andy Andrews. Maybe Kris Williams can get pregnant and spare Katie the ordeal.
Haunting in Connecticut. Oh dear. Highly sensationalized?
April 10th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Please be on the lookout for my review called “A Sucking in Connecticut.”
It is filled with spoilers. Just so you all know.
I have not seen the I Am Six episode, but now I am going to try and find it online.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Link for on-line video:
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/Paranormal+State+I+am+Six
Saturday, April 18 3:00pm EST Paranormal State: I am Six
Laura has felt oppressed by a violent spirit ever since she heard a chilling EVP in the fall of 2007.
Monday, April 13 10:30pm EST Paranormal State: 44/45 – The Possession: Return of Six
Debbie lives in terror in her Kentucky home following an encounter with a half-human figure bearing rams’ horns. Also includes another exorcism of Laura.
Tuesday, April 14 2:30am EST The Possession: Return of Six
http://www.aetv.com/search/global.do?keywords=I+Am+Six&Search.x=29&Search.y=4
April 10th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Okay, so I watched “I am Six,” and I believe that it was more a case of attention-seeking behavior than anything. Nobody ever saw any of the stuff that was happening to her, they only saw the aftermath, so it was likely all self-inflicted.
Now, being a recovering Catholic, I happen to know that the Catholic church has an extremely strict ritual for exorcism, and before it is even considered, certain symptoms must manifest:
Speaking or knowing a language that has never been studied, heard, or read
Clearly knowing things distant or hidden
Accurately predicting future events
Intense hatred for holy things
Physical strength beyond age or condition
Not only that, the subject must be carefully examined to rule out any possible mental illness.
Now, Laura showed NONE of these symptoms, and that is likely why an EPISCOPAL priest, rather than a Catholic priest was called. Episcopals do not have the strict rules governing exorcism.
Now, given that her psychologist said, “I believe SHE believes she’s possessed,” the exorcism was undoubtedly used as a resetting of Laura’s disbelief. If she believes she’s been exorcised, then she will be cured.
In that respect, PRS is doing what they are supposed to be doing. They have to act like they believe it or SHE won’t believe it.
April 11th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Katie wrote: “In that respect, PRS is doing what they are supposed to be doing. They have to act like they believe it or SHE won’t believe it.”
Placebo effect. And it worked for several weeks, until she had to be rushed to the hospital for a violent allergic reaction to holy water. Then PS was back out there doing another exorcism and linking the demons in Kentucky to the demons in Laura. ‘The Possession: Return of Six’
Chip also provides the info that the demon came from the water; meaning the river. The demon (or demons) cruise the Mississippi in search of vulnerable people. . . the link between the Kentucky demon and the Illinois home of Laura and her parents.
I do not think they (Ryan & Co.) are seriously considering that a. there is no possession, and b. they are in way over their heads in the psych aspect.
Katie wrote: “I believe that it was more a case of attention-seeking behavior than anything. Nobody ever saw any of the stuff that was happening to her, they only saw the aftermath, so it was likely all self-inflicted.”
Her mother seemed very eager to play everything up, why not photograph her in the laundry chute, the blood running down her back, etc.
A blog site had a post from someone whose sister had gone to high school with her. “A few weeks ago I received a call from my sister who told me that some girl she went to high school with was on the show Paranormal State because she was possessed. Of course I was interested because a possession had occurred in my hometown, Quincy Illinois. I found the episode called “I am Six” on youtube and watched it. After viewing, I was not sure what to think. According to my sister, the girl has always been strange. Part of me thinks that the girl was just crazy and seeking attention.” http://www.iamhaunted.com/blog/view/id_9687/title_possession-on-paranormal-state-in-my-hometown/
I would hope that her therapist saw both shows and is still working with her and her family.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Found this on the web
nagh says:
March 24, 2009 at 9:19 am
Cormac,
I am not backing anyone up and yes i’m very annoyed about the way our group was treated in the removal which is basically a “witch hunt” on Britts part, fact of the matter is Brent screwed people buy using the name “TAPS” for his “Con” and yet Jason and Grant sits down and doesn’t do a darn thing except chastize him.
If it was my group and we did the exact same thing they would not hesitate in removing me, my group and possibly sue us for using there copyright signature name TAPS.
Granted Brent may not be the co manager or manager but yet his group Paraex is his no matter what, and yet they are still allowed to be a TFM?
How ironic i must say screw me ..love them…”if i had any hair on my head i would tell them next time pull it while you screw me.”
Right, is Right and Wrong is Wrong. and they are way past the wrong mark.
TAPS Britt is where he is at for kissing and following Jason and Grant’s Butt,
Plus another thing thats gets my nerve is that Jason and Grant questioning Yevette Fielding about the way Most Haunted is and tries to expose them as fakers, what about Jason and Grant? Hell I’m not stupid,
Like i said let them take a lie detector test lets see what skeletons lies in their closet.
They have made what we believe in a mockery, look at them on their Live events…instead of doiing what we do they bring in actresses and actors, wrestlers, etc just to promote their stuff.
I have lost all respect for Jason and Grant, i may lose alot of friends in the paranormal field because of the way i feel at this time, but Britt was the cause of my emotions not only to myself but to my entire team.
I will not rest until justice is served. and Until Jason and Grant gets their head out of the clouds and start opening their eyes nothing will change.
Oh lastly…if i was still a TAPS Family Member and read this i too would stick up for Jason , Grant and TAPS of fear of being removed because i didn’t kiss their butts and back them up.
TAPS is only a name, eventually there will be others out there that may do better and without the BS that Jay and Grant does with Sci Fi or Pilgrim Films.
My eyes are open and i will pray others will to, including your group Leinster Paranormal in Ireland aka TAPS Family Member.
I wonder what they will do tonight ? I think I will have a tooth pulled instead
April 15th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Hey, OK, what’s the back story on that????
I know there was drama with TAPScon because I got all the emails…they invited us as vendors. Where did you find that?
I LOVE some drama.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:16 am
I found this on the net, check out the link
http://scifake.com/?p=882
April 15th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
on scifake.com
April 15th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
So that it why you don’t toss these guys under the bus. Wow, not to take a personal shot but are you nuts?
What has to happen? A child to be attacked? They do not care because they are making money. Break away from TAPS be your own group. Everyone on the net (check) think that anything that is TAPS is fake / staged. Yes they should do a complete background check on everyone. Jason and Grant should demand that no matter what. It’s great that you stand by them but come on and smell the roses. It’s a TV show, nothing more and they are there for the money.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Honestly, I don’t think the fact that TAPS doesn’t want children to get molested changes the fact that they make shit up…I mean, OBVIOUSLY they don’t want children to get molested, they aren’t MONSTERS, for crissakes, and I think it’s fair that they want to distance themselves from anyone in their field who is a pedophile.
I mean, I would gladly step up and help Jason and Grant beat the shit out of someone that hurts a child…I would use a crowbar, even. That is something that everyone can find common ground on, here.
Again, they make stuff up…that does not equal rotting in eternal hellfire, it just equals “I don’t trust you when you talk about ghosts and I think you are fabricating evidence to make money.”
Honestly, the more I learn about the “experts” in the field…the more jaded I become…right now, I have nothing but seething contempt.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
I’m baaaack!
Sorry, Katie, smack me good and hard, cuz I fergotted to send you the stream link.
In my defense, however, I was working my arse off all weekend, and didn’t even have time to check my email before going to do the investigation…ah, sometimes, real life sux so bad, and now I am exhausted from six days straight. One day off is just NOT enough!
For future reference, however, here are the two ustream pages where you can check for any live feeds we do. If we are investigating the desecrated cemetary behind our co-founder’s home, it’ll be on their page… http://www.ustream.tv/channel/traxliveky . Otherwise, it will be on my main page,
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/traxlive-paranormal-investigators .
CapeAnn, I send you a regrettably mixed congratulations on becoming a TFM. I know it’s what you’ve wanted, and therefore I’m happy for you.
For myself, the only group we are associated with is AGH, American Ghost Hunters, run by Chad Calek, who is a great guy and sometimes guests on the PRS programs. It’s a very loose association, too, no repressive rules and such, just an informal gathering together of various groups and individuals from all over who chat in the chatroom and discuss whatever on the forums. I like the people there, overall, and enjoy the unpredictable chat room, where you never know if they will be going rated X on crazy sex discussions or doing a burn your brain cells out trivial pursuit game! lol!
I’ve also got a myspace (who doesn’t these days?), it’s at
http://www.myspace.com/traxspace .
Even though we are loosely associated with AGH, we are independent, and I plan on us staying that way. I prefer to be free to blaze our own trail, without needing someone else’s ‘permission’ to experiment or do things differently, as in INVESTIGATING WITH THE LIGHTS ON, what a concept! lolol!
Anyway, I dont know if this will post here, but this is just a short three plus minute vid I did on a couple of interesting EVPs we got on Saturday night’s investigation, let me know what you think.
Here is the direct link if that doesn’t load up….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5IJ4Xxn2PQ
Hugs all around!
April 15th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Those are nice EVPS, although we thought the second one said, “I want some…”
That could be because the hubby and I want some cupcakes…the word “debunk” kind of makes me think of a kind of cake…”debunk cake”…
Okay, did anyone else watch Ghost Botherers tonight? They were at the Georgia whatever Aquarium to investigate the Titanic exhibit…conveniently on April 14th…hmmm
They found cold spots in front of the Iceberg Exhibit…you know, the wall that is literally frozen solid to demonstrate the temperature of the water the night the Titanic sank…Iceberg? Cold spots? They also found them in the Cold Water Aquarium…
It’s a good thing I washed a load of bullshit flags today, so I can lay it down over the load they are trying to blow all over the audience. Seriously…cold spots in front of an iceberg exhibit…is this a joke?
We also saw Grant fall over trying to get up and he blamed it on a ghost…okay, Grant…sure.
At the reveal, they tried to play off some electronica sounding EVP that is only slightly less realistic than the voice that reads back my prescription numbers on the Walgreens automated refill line.
Whatever.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Oh, and I would also like to point out that I have BEEN to a Titanic exhibit and they keep them at a constant cool temperature…much cooler than room temperature, undoubtedly to aid in the preservation of the artifacts…but, what do I know…you think that’s why I am not a TAPS member?
April 16th, 2009 at 5:48 am
Yes, I would just grab a large rock and just whack away. But what Jason and Grant are not doing is looking at what they are doing as a business. If you hire someone, you have to check them out. I know they have lawyers so they could have them check out the person. I think they are just too wrapped up on the $$$ and all the adoring fans (sorry almost toss breakfast).
On the show last night, seeing that I would rather have a tooth pulled or finger nails yanked. I did not see the show but did see the commercials. I saw the Grant and well ….sorry; I just don’t have anything to say. I watch Bones now on Wed night.
They should just take the shows off the air.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:46 am
When I saw that they were going to investigate the Titanic exhibit, I sat here shaking my head.
Not a person’s home, who might be needing help. But yet another business enterprise, who conveniently gets some national exposure for their touring show.
I missed most of it, anyway, had too many interruptions from our busy household. I did see Jason say something about a jacket tug, and I groaned and said not again!, then Grant getting up but sitting back down hard and saying something was keeping him from getting up. And neither of them seemed to me to be very enthused about their ‘experiences’, rather it seemed they were grimly doing what they had to do and just getting it over with.
Know what I mean?
The whole energy of the show seems to have changed. Grant usually seems more quiet and depressed, Jason seems to be plodding through every show with a grim determination, Steve seems to be bored with his canned “Nice catch, Tango” line that he gets to use every week, and Tango just seems like a kid happy to be along for the ride.
Does anyone even remember what the second half hour segment was about? I got a phone call and missed it completely.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Oh, I didn’t mention the second part because my computer was threatening to restart because of updates, and I didn’t want to lose what I had…
They were at some place called the Gaither plantation, where the ghost of the old owner has been seen and heard…also, some foolishness about confederate soldiers in the attic…
It was Grant’s turn to have a “stomach bug,” so Jason and the “guest investigator” went into the attic, threw down some flour and their patented piece-of-crap geophone and then tried to convince us they were hearing footsteps…upon examining the flour, there INDEED was a footprint…the heel of a very modern hiking boot, but since they ASSURED us it was not one of theirs, it must most certainly be a confederate soldier…
GRRRRRRR!
April 16th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
LOL! damn, I miss all the good stuff! Do you know if they used Martha White flour or a generic Kroger brand? That might make a difference? lol! sorry, couldn’t resist!
April 17th, 2009 at 5:19 am
LOL, wow you guys need to get out more.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:04 am
Another,one. check it out
http://scifake.com/?p=354#more-354
April 19th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
I have to bring this up about the flashlight , see this video
http://scifake.com/?tag=flashlight-hoax
April 20th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
I have traveled forward in time and here I am watching a telly show called TAPS. I am apalled that mere plumbers with turd-caked fingernails are trying to get me and my co-ghosts to communicate with them for their selfish financial gain. My ghost friends and I are very wealthy ourselves but we earned it by hard work and perseverance. I promise you this, if they cross my path and lay a flashlight down and invite me to turn it on and off, I will pick it up and bash them both on the head with it repeatedly until they lose consciousness. Best episode is yet to be seen. I am Hambone the time-traveling Ghost.
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:34 am
Mr. Hambone, you say you and your friends are wealthy ghosts. Where do you put your wallet? I agree with you about the absurdity of Roto-Rooter poop plungers seeking you out for their financial gain. Where do you think they find pansies like Miss Tango and Dandy Dave? Did you have losers like that back in your day? Take care and haunt me if you ever get a chance. Stan the Spiritual Man
May 13th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Has anyone seen this video clip or posibly more fraud from Taps….
T.A.P.S. bogus evidence from Eastern State Penitentiary! | SciFake.com
I’m just as disappointed as anyone about the 2008 Live show fraud but I am … to debunk at the presentation to enhance believability and credibility. … losing everything they have and putting their families in harms way. … They created Ghost Hunters and then to compete and split fans or double the fan base. …
scifake.com/?p=82 – 50k – Cached – Similar pages
May 13th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
I’m not surprised to see that…I think we have pretty well established the fact that their evidence is questionable at best!
May 13th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Anyone catch the million dollar hotel/mansion episode where they advertise their new hotel? They had GHI come in and do an investigation. Here is a link to their hotel that they have linked on their website.
http://www.thespaldinginn.com/
I watched the episode and it made me sick. Katie I hope you have seen it. I feel like these “plumbers” who claim to be an average joe have made fools of us. This place with big screen newly renovated rooms, had to cost millions!!! UGHHH!
Also don’t know if anyone remembers Jason going off on the tv crew member during the live show. He really went off on this guy who happened to walk in while they were investigating. It showed me two things, 1. Jason is a total d*ck. 2. It is quite possible that these crew members could happen to wander into previous investigations causing much of the evidence they have found previously to be invalid.
May 13th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Oh, yes, I watched it…I try to watch them so I know what I can reference later…it was NOTHING but an hour long commercial for the Spalding Inn…the whole thing is SO contrived at this point. It is absurd, BUT…I shall forge ahead in my attempts to keep the field legitimate…
May 13th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
I was trying to guess at how much the place costs plus full renovation and big screens in each room….What do you think? 5-10 million? I have kept watching like you Katie but I had to turn that one off ten minutes in and couldn’t watch it for a while. I just went to their website and they are advertising it along with having a training seminar there. Plus after the episode and “confirmed” haunting by the living live Homer Simpson aka “lipless” Robb.
May 14th, 2009 at 11:54 am
I am wondering how they will do this summer. A B/B in this economic state is one of the worse investments. At least smart enough to make it a LLC and hire a manager to run the place. I give them 4 years and after they dump all their money into it. They will go back to plumbing.
May 14th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Keep doing your vids man. Actually can I make a request of you, can you do a video dedicated to them advertising their hotel. I know I remember seeing a special where they were interviewed ( GH episode that ended the season I think ) and claimed they didn’t make much money etc… If you could gather those statements from that episode coupled with the intro for the episode showing their hotel…..Proof is in the pudding. I am surprised more people were not sickened by that. I mean cmon, how can someone believe they are still working for Roto Rooter making house calls!
May 14th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Oh and the hate response you received due to you saying dumbass in one of your videos, nothing more than an ad hominem. They attack you for that? When bitch is a word now allowed on primetime tv and nudity is PG-13 in movies… Gimme a break.
May 14th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
There is nothing scary about this programme at all. I mean…where are the ghosts? All they have ever had was voices..(which could be their own)..orbs (which could be from their videocamera)..their shirt ot pants tugged (which i myself can act it professionally). They should come to ASIA perhaps..and follow this programme called “ENTITY”. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA..then they’ll know what they get there. No E.V.P or thermal scanner and whatever gadgets they used is needed for “ENTITY”.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
These rejects need to be taken off the air, But if you watch what passes for MTV now, you’ll soon realize they are exactly where they belong. Soon the only thing left on TV will be this type of tripe.
Eugenics is the answer. So long as stupid people outnumber us, these crap shows will keep getting ratings.
June 11th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Wow it’s been awhile, but yes they are fake and some of their people don’t like to return money. Sorry but yes they are in for the money nothing more. I have been checking out the SciFake site and it seems some people (well most of the people) never had their money returned for Tapscon 2009. It seems the guy that was in charge of this is nowhere to be found. Taps it seems has not done zip to help their fans. From what I am seeing they have turned from nice guys to complete *&%#@ holes. See always the gentleman. Sorry I watch Primeval on BBC or Dragons Den or something besides GH/GHI or any other Ghost show. Or have a tooth pulled! Sorry they have gone to the dark side and I can’t wait till they are off the air. I still can’t believe they have the college GH coming. What does everyone live in Trailer Parks?
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Hey, OK not a fan, you’ve mentioned that you read these posts on the train…I just heard about that awful train accident and I am hoping you respond just to say “Hey, I’m okay, I hate TAPS”
Because otherwise I will worry.
June 25th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Hey Katie
I was not on the train that day but you never know what will happen. Yes I am ok and still dislike Taps. I did know some friends who were on there. They are ok, but a little banged up.